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Thanks for the responses. Both classroom teachers are going to read No Talking by Clements to their classes beginning next week. We are also going to be discussing this behavior and possible behavior plans at our next staff meeting. Here are the responses... Middle school students don't have any outside time, so if they are good Monday - Thursday we go outside on Friday. The students that don't behave sit beside me or stay in with my aide. I am also a mama caller. If a student has their own cell phone I have them get the mother or father on the phone and explain the problem. Talk about nip it in the bud. Cell phones are wonderful, I never leave the class room. My phone is with cingular and it has all kinds of roll over minutes. When someone starts to act up in the library, I pull the red phone out of my pocket and everyone gets quiet. It is almost funny. This year I have called two parents. ****** I have used marbles in the jar in a self-contained classroom. When I taught PE I used a chart and when they filled the chart up they got cupcakes the first time then cookies or candy. I started out the first day and gav e them a star because student _______ was standing perfectly in line and not talking. ****** Maybe it would be a good year to read No Talking, Andrew Clements' new book. It's a keeper. About a class (of 5th graders) known as the "unshushables", and what happens when one of them decides to see just what it's like not talking for a single day. The results are interesting. I couldn't put this one down. And yet, it is also respectful toward lots of different folk (students and teachers) who are part of the book. Even if you don't choose to read it aloud, it will improve your day... ;) ****** We are in a different situation here being in a small overseas school so things like "the soccer red card" program that I have probably would not work. Basically, I have some laminated yellow and red cards and I don't even say anything, I just hand a kid a yellow card when they misbehave. They get two yellow cards per class session, then they get a red and with that they leave the library with my aide and she takes them straight to the principal's office. I have only given out red's something like twice in two years since I really do let it slide until I do it, but it has made an impact. The second thing that I had a teacher do one time is have parents appear in the classroom for even just a few minutes at unexpected times. Once again, I know in a school in the United States you would have parents who are too busy with their work (or forgive me--those who could care less how their kids are behaving since it isn't their problem when they are at school) but this teacher said that with some of her students just the thought that Dad may all of a sudden show up in the back of the classroom even for a few minutes was enough to motivate some to behave. ****** PBS worked wonders at our school. It's not a quick fix, but it works. ****** I feel your pain! I had a eighth grade class like that a few years ago, and the best resource for me was to consult either the school psychologist, the emotional support teachers, or someone of that ilk. They have great suggestions and I'm sure they could give you specific help. Sometimes if you manage to isolate the one or two (or five!) kids in each class that are the "seed" of the problems, everyone else does much better. For me, extremely crystal clear procedures (such as exactly how and when to do everything from blow your nose to sharpen your pencil) was what saved me. Good luck! ****** I've taken classes back to the room. Seated them and heads go down. We have 1 minute of quiet. Then I proceed to teach the lesson there, using up all of the time so there is no checkout. When they complain, I explain that they are directly responsible for what they get to do, if they cannot behave in the library we will hold class here and we will go back when they have earned the right to go back. I had a bunch of different worksheet type activities that I can pull out and take with me each time. Things like parts of a book have them pull out their math book. Using title page, indices and all those features that are the same. Alphabetical order, Dewey categories and order. Bibliographic citations. Note taking can all be done using their textbooks. ****** The first thing I'd do is to get all of you (teachers, specialists, assistants, administration, support staff, etc.) together and write out a set of simple rules that you all agree WILL be followed. You may have to decide to ignore certain behaviors that would earn others some sort of comment in order to concentrate on the worst behaviors. Once you have your list of rules, you then need to decide on specific consequences for the first, second, third violation of each of those rules. Everyone, from the principal to the janitor needs to know exactly what the situation is. For the same of consistency, any infraction of one of those rules means that the child goes to the principal or whoever is in charge of discipline there. This is not meant to take control away from the classroom teacher, but rather to make sure that students don't play one teacher against another or think that the "violation count" is for each teacher. If Hans makes Helga cry in the library, and that's against one of your major rules, then making her cry in lunch is a second violation of that rule. The consequences for the violations need to be specific and logically related to the offense. They also need to apply to all of these students equally. If Hans makes Helga cry, and is punished for it, then if Helga makes Hans cry she gets the exact same punishment. There can be no "breaks" or favoritism. The theme here is consistency. It might be easier to overlook some of the bad behavior, but you really can't. Yes, you will overlook a bit of the minor stuff, but it won't be on your list of absolute rules. Once you see that the kids are actually following the rules, the second part kicks in. Again, with everyone in agreement, you begin to deal with certain violations within the room, rather than referring them to the principal. To kick that off, perhaps you can get all of those 4th graders together and have the principal praise them. Make it clear that they really have improved, and that everyone has noticed. If there is a kid or two who has really turned themselves around, publicly praise them and give them some sort of small reward. Kids that age generally want to do the right thing, but sometimes they have built such a reputation for themselves that they feel trapped doing what they know they shouldn't do. Do you see these kids on a regular basis for a story time, or do any of their teachers read aloud to them? If so, pick some books that might help them change. You've probably already thought of that, but it can actually work. You might also get some of the classroom teachers to do some reading aloud instead of just lecturing and handing out worksheets. ****** One more to check on: Tough Kid Toolbox or handbook ****** Here's a simple idea that perhaps you can use in the library. I had cards in three different colors; I used the ends of laminated construction paper for them. One color was warning card; one color was consequence card; one color was reward card. I didn't have even say much after explaining the system. If a child was being unruly, I simply put a warning card by his or her seat. A second problem meant I would change the warning card for a consequence card -- consequences could include a "talking to", note to teacher, contact principal, etc. A child who was being especially good got a reward card and could trade it at the end of library class for some small reward -- sugarless candy, stickers, pencil, etc. I also tried to do announcement to class about these rewardees. This then gave as little attention as possible to bad behavior and as much as possible to good behavior. Some systems or helps to check on: Lee Canter's Assertive Discipline Boys Town Social Skills ****** Literacy means liberation. Septima Clark, educator & civil rights activist, 1898-1987 Darcy Maxwell, LMC Director Summit Elementary 1800 Lakeshore Dr. La Crosse, WI 54603 dmaxwellATsdlax.k12.wi.us -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------