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Hi-- Thanks to everyone who emailed me about Reading Counts. If anyone has any final thoughts, please let me know. I will be sharing your feedback with our elementary teachers in the next few days. Terry Thomas School librarian/ Middle school Language Arts teacher Colegio Internacional Puerto la Cruz Venezuela terry.thomas@ciplc.net Original question: I need to know what you think about Reading Counts. The elementary teachers here are thinking of purchasing the software. I am more interested in a philosophical discussion of its merits (or lack thereof), rather than a comparison of RC to others like it such as AR (which is what I found in the archives). Could you please email me with your ideas about RC OR about "rewards" types of programs in general? ___________________________________________________ RESPONSES: First, on the personal side, we homeschooled our three kids all the way through high school. Two have graduated from college now (one in December, one in May) and the third will graduate next month. When they were in grade school we started doing the Pizza Hut Book-It program. The kids said that that took all the fun out of reading, so we stopped participating in the program and just let them read. The other benefit of not doing the program was that my wife and I didn't spend money we didn't have on our pizza, and we didn't gain quite as much weight as if we had gone out. The drawback was that she made HER pizza, so we ate twice as much (but it didn't cost as much) and gained twice as much weight. Oh well, that's what happens when a good cook (her) marries someone who likes to eat (me). To this day all three kids still love to read. We started RC here several years ago. The plan was that we would introduce it in the elementary school and then add it in the MS and HS a grade at a time. We actually got up to 10th grade. Today it is not used at all after 6th grade. The only reward that I know of is that those kids who reach their point goals each month get a free can of soda. For some kids, that's a powerful incentive. For others, the incentive is simply being with their friends. A few of those kids actually will give their free soda to someone else. Like anything else, some kids are motivated only by rewards, and others will do what they are supposed to do without any external reward. Given the confusion that there is about the future of RC, I'm not sure that I'd buy into it just yet. ____________________________ I am opposed to these types of programs. Unless you have an unlimited budget or a particularly generous parent-teacher organization, the reading lists become your only collection development tool and, unless your community and staff are well-informed, in some instances students are discouraged from reading titles that are not on the list. (I have often wondered just how those books end up on that list anyway; I would imagine publishers would go to some lengths to get their titles on such a list.) ? I am?strongly opposed on a more philosophical level. What happens to reading purely for the enjoyment?when a?reward system is in place? I don't believe that lifelong readers can be nurtured and developed through bribery. ? Wow! That's pretty clear, isn't it?! ________________________________ Reading Counts is a good program for reluctant but competitive readers. BUT its strengths are its downfall. When the rewards stop, does the reading? What if the student isn't competitive and doesn't care if they earn points through reading? In many cases if there aren't points, the reading stops. If the student doesn't care in the first place, they will either learn to cheat or do what is assigned. Teachers can rely too heavily on points earned over reading and learning. Students can cheat too easily unless heavily monitored. It has its benefits as well as drawbacks. It is a lot of work to identify the titles with quizzes and identify them--then re-identify them when a student peels off the sticker. If I was in this position when the district purchased RC, I would have fought it. ______________________________________________________ Personally I'm opposed to RC and AR. We had RC at my school because our computer tech teacher whose sister is a school librarian, who loved the program, got the PTO to fund it at a meeting I missed. She knew I was not in favor of it. The funny thing about that is that after I retired my replacement contacted me because the c-t teacher was fed up with the program, especially how much it was costing and the time involved and wanted the new lms to take it over. She thinks the way I do and refused. They really are very expensive to maintain and take a lot of time. Anyway, kids wouldn't read perfectly wonderful books, especially newer ones, because we didn't have tests for them yet. Teachers who used to schedule classes for booktalks and assigned genre book reports stopped doing that. I had a parent complain to me because her child had spent the whole quarter reading one high point value book and then failed the test so that lowered her grade for the quarter. The program led to 4th grade boys asking for Anne of Green Gables because of it's high point value which of course they returned before the day was out. Poor readers and good readers wanted the highest point value books so they could get it over with, the good readers so they could go on and read stuff they liked. When the program started it was voluntary (up to the individual teacher) in 4th and 5th grade then it expanded to 6th thru 8th. I had been chair of the reading committee for our school improvement program and refused to allow the teachers to require it. Well, that term ended and the computer tech teacher became chair and I moved to the math committee. I was in the process of deciding whether or not to retire making pro-con lists. When the new reading committee decided to make RC mandatory for all grades 1-8 that was added to the pro-retirement side. The year after I retired I was volunteering for a friend doing inventory in her school and she was an avid fan of these programs (her school used AR). Counselors from the middle school were in the library talking to the 5th graders about what to expect in middle school. One of the kids asked her if they would be doing AR in the middle school and when the answer was "no" all of the kids cheered. The librarian had left the room so she missed this exchange and I never told her. Still haven't and she's retired now too. _________________________________________________________ Here is alink to our material This may give you an idea of the software and some of the thinsg we are doin http://www.dillon2.k12.sc.us/staff/readingcountsandsriindex.asp ________________________________________________________________ check out Stephen Krashen and his research into how those programs turn off readers rather than deleoping them _________________________________________________________________ I purchased the software as an upgrade from AR, but that was because I knew it was a better testing program as well. I use it in conjunction with a reading incentive program, Earning By Learning. Up to 100 students per term, Fall and Spring are paid $2 per book, up to 20 books read and tested on using SRC. I know there are many different arguments to incentive reading programs, testing and the like, but we live in the real world. Our kids are tested incessantly. My kids have become better testers using this type of program. The problem lies in that all kids are not testing, even though I opened it to all 1-5th graders this year, instead of just 100, though only 100 kids are paid for their testing. Some teachers do not support the program, allowing kids only time when they are in the library to test, no time in class to test, or will not allow them to come in and exchange their material so they may continue reading and testing. I am usually at school until after 5 every night when testing is taking place, with no compensation, unless you consider the gears I receive from teachers who see me leaving, who do not understand this job. I do like SRC as a testing unit. It allows kids to test and retest if necessary if they fail the first or even a second time around. You can adjust your parameters as you like. If you want points only or books only to be reported, or if you want passing at 80 or 90% that is what you set your campus up for. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------