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Kristina,
 
Perhaps the best reason to not use Wikipedia is the disclaimer on the Wikipedia 
website itself.  I ask students to click on the disclaimer button, where they 
themselves discover that it states that Wikipedia makes  and I quote "No Guarantee 
of Validity".  Once I show them that, they are satisfied.
 
For years we have evaluated reference material based on accuracy, authorship and 
authority.  As long as Wikipedia considers itself an encyclopedia, should we not 
hold it up to the same standards as the other encyclopedias?
 
As far as the Nature study, this has been an on-going battle.  Perhaps you should 
read the response from Britannica. 
(http://corporate.britannica.com/britannica_nature_response.pdf)
 
If Wikipedia is going to be an encyclopedia then let us hold it up to the same 
standards as the others.
 
Dixie Andersen
Librarian
Navarro High School
San Antonio, ISD
diandersen@saisd.net
 
 

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  1. ELEM: Books that teach sincerity?
  2. Why NOT Wikapedia (2)
  3. Why NOT Wikipedia (2)
  4. Share: It's Bad All Over the Country
  5. LM_NET Digest - 2 Feb 2009 - Special issue (#2009-184)

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:54:29 -0600
From:    Michelle Marino <mmarino@HUTCHISONSCHOOL.ORG>
Subject: ELEM: Books that teach sincerity?

Hello All,

I have a request from a Kindergarten teacher. She is looking for a book/story that 
will teach her girls bout being sincere/sincerity.

I have searched the catalog but I'm not having any luck.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Michelle Marino
Children's Librarian
Hutchison School
1740 Ridgeway Road
Memphis, TN 38119
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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:54:56 -0800
From:    Thomas Kaun <tomkaun@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Why NOT Wikapedia

Hi, Kristina.
I'm not sure why a student or any researcher, using the information they got
from Wikipedia would not cite it. This just drives me crazy. If the teacher
or professor wants to restrict students use of Wikipedia or ensure that
other resources are used to verify the information found there that doesn't
absolve the researcher's obligation to cite the source no matter how
inaccurate, in error, or whatever, that source is. The issue is not
citation--it's use--and that has to be determined by the teacher. Some
teachers also don't want kids to use general encyclopedias and they say the
same thing, "Don't cite the World Book or Britannica." Once again that
doesn't make sense to me. If you are using it as a source then you should be
citing it.
I know this is long answer to a short question but it just pushes my buttons
when we and other teachers don't  seem to understand the purpose of citation
and are giving their students the wrong message about what and why to cite.
Tom Kaun

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Kris Fallon <librarychickie@gmail.com>wrote:

> Looking for some brief hard cold facts as to why wikapedia is should not be
> a "citeable" source for research.  Presenting to faculty today and there
> are
> some big advocates of it who will claim it is just as reliable as
> Worldbook.
>
> Kristina Fallon Tomaino
> Robert Morris School, LMS k-8
> South Bound Brook NJ
> librarychickie@gmail.com
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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:02:37 -0500
From:    edward nizalowski <enizalowski@NVCS.STIER.ORG>
Subject: Re: Why NOT Wikapedia

Initially I was very skeptical of Wikipedia, but I have come to use it
on more and more occasions.  Back in December 2005 the accuracy of
scientific entries in Wikipedia was compared with those in Britannica.
The contest was a toss-up.  This was done based on 42 entries that were
compared by "experts" selected by the magazine Nature.  The people doing
the comparison did not know the source of the entries that were judged.
Wikipedia has its own entry concerning this comparison, but you can also
view it from this link:
http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2005/12/69844

Ed Nizalowski, SMS
Newark Valley High School
Newark Valley, NY
enizalowski@nvcs.stier.org

"It takes honeybees ten million foraging trips to gather enough nectar
to make one pound of honey."   Bees of the World
qtd. in The Secret Life of Bees by Susan Monk Kidd

Currently reading Over the Wall by John Ritter

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Looking for some brief hard cold facts as to why wikapedia is should not
be
a "citeable" source for research.  Presenting to faculty today and there
are
some big advocates of it who will claim it is just as reliable as
Worldbook.

Kristina Fallon Tomaino
Robert Morris School, LMS k-8
South Bound Brook NJ
librarychickie@gmail.com

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:02:43 -0800
From:    "Gustafson, Jean" <JeanGustafson@SELAH.K12.WA.US>
Subject: Re: Why NOT Wikipedia

I believe, when a teacher says you cannot cite World Book or Wikipedia type=
 sources, what they really are saying, is DO NOT even go look at them.

Jean
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R. Jean Gustafson
Teacher-Librarian
Selah Jr. High
Selah, WA 98942
jeangustafson@selah.k12.wa.us
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.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Kaun
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:55 AM
To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Why NOT Wikapedia

Hi, Kristina.
I'm not sure why a student or any researcher, using the information they go=
t
from Wikipedia would not cite it. This just drives me crazy. If the teacher
or professor wants to restrict students use of Wikipedia or ensure that
other resources are used to verify the information found there that doesn't
absolve the researcher's obligation to cite the source no matter how
inaccurate, in error, or whatever, that source is. The issue is not
citation--it's use--and that has to be determined by the teacher. Some
teachers also don't want kids to use general encyclopedias and they say the
same thing, "Don't cite the World Book or Britannica." Once again that
doesn't make sense to me. If you are using it as a source then you should b=
e
citing it.
I know this is long answer to a short question but it just pushes my button=
s
when we and other teachers don't  seem to understand the purpose of citatio=
n
and are giving their students the wrong message about what and why to cite.
Tom Kaun

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Kris Fallon <librarychickie@gmail.com>wrote=
:

> Looking for some brief hard cold facts as to why wikapedia is should not =
be
> a "citeable" source for research.  Presenting to faculty today and there
> are
> some big advocates of it who will claim it is just as reliable as
> Worldbook.
>
> Kristina Fallon Tomaino
> Robert Morris School, LMS k-8
> South Bound Brook NJ
> librarychickie@gmail.com
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<http://rhslibrary.org/>  | Professional
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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:04:57 -0500
From:    edward nizalowski <enizalowski@NVCS.STIER.ORG>
Subject: Share: It's Bad All Over the Country

Today's newspaper had an article from the Gannett News Service on the
plight of public libraries around the country.  Many are cutting back
hours and closing branches.  The situation of the library in Darby, PA,
is especially compelling.  It is believed to be the oldest public
library in the nation and, it too, may close.  Here is a link to an
article on the Darby Library:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/nations-oldest-public-library-dan
ger-

=20

=20

Ed Nizalowski, SMS

Newark Valley High School

Newark Valley, NY

enizalowski@nvcs.stier.org

=20

Walt Morey (1907-1992), author of Gentle Ben, overcame functional
illiteracy at age thirteen when he finally took up reading with a
passion.  The plots for most of his 17 published books revolve around
the relationship between man and animals often using the themes of
survival, self-discovery or redemption through nature.=20

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Currently reading Cruise Control by Terry Trueman

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:04:32 -0500
From:    Jeri Hurd <JHurd@KLHT.ORG>
Subject: Re: LM_NET Digest - 2 Feb 2009 - Special issue (#2009-184)

I'd like to stand up for wikipedia, also.  I can understand the reticence
for younger students, but I think MS and HS students are perfectly capable
of using wikipedia as an initial source.  We don't allow them to cite it
(or ANY general encyclopedia), but it's fine for general background or
instant information.  Students should be taught to verify ANY information
found online, and we risk becoming irrelevant and sounding curmudgeonly
when we go off on wiki-rants.  As long as students are taught the problems
inherent with the source, I don't see a problem.




Jeri Hurd
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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:06:39 -0800
From:    Thomas Kaun <tomkaun@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Why NOT Wikipedia

Which is ridiculous.
Tom

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Gustafson, Jean <
JeanGustafson@selah.k12.wa.us> wrote:

> I believe, when a teacher says you cannot cite World Book or Wikipedia type
> sources, what they really are saying, is DO NOT even go look at them.
>
> Jean
>
> R. Jean Gustafson
> Teacher-Librarian
> Selah Jr. High
> Selah, WA 98942
> jeangustafson@selah.k12.wa.us
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> LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Kaun
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:55 AM
> To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: Why NOT Wikapedia
>
> Hi, Kristina.
> I'm not sure why a student or any researcher, using the information they
> got
> from Wikipedia would not cite it. This just drives me crazy. If the teacher
> or professor wants to restrict students use of Wikipedia or ensure that
> other resources are used to verify the information found there that doesn't
> absolve the researcher's obligation to cite the source no matter how
> inaccurate, in error, or whatever, that source is. The issue is not
> citation--it's use--and that has to be determined by the teacher. Some
> teachers also don't want kids to use general encyclopedias and they say the
> same thing, "Don't cite the World Book or Britannica." Once again that
> doesn't make sense to me. If you are using it as a source then you should
> be
> citing it.
> I know this is long answer to a short question but it just pushes my
> buttons
> when we and other teachers don't  seem to understand the purpose of
> citation
> and are giving their students the wrong message about what and why to cite.
> Tom Kaun
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Kris Fallon <librarychickie@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Looking for some brief hard cold facts as to why wikapedia is should not
> be
> > a "citeable" source for research.  Presenting to faculty today and there
> > are
> > some big advocates of it who will claim it is just as reliable as
> > Worldbook.
> >
> > Kristina Fallon Tomaino
> > Robert Morris School, LMS k-8
> > South Bound Brook NJ
> > librarychickie@gmail.com
> >
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><http://rhslibrary.org/>  | Professional
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>
> Read, every day, something no one else is reading. Think, every day,
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> unanimity.
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