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I responded to Tom offlist absolutely supporting what he said, but since reading Cathy's reply I have to jump in. Whether we use/accept Wikipedia, encyclopaedias, "bad" research sites or whatever, if we use the information from them then the source must be cited. Citing is about acknowledging the moral rights of the author (and all authors of whatever calibre are automatically attributed these) and also teaches students about copyright and plagiarism. If they are required to cite ALL their sources so these can be found for the reader's future information, then they are less likely to copy great swathes of it from a source they know they don't have to cite. It's an ethics issue. I know there are certain domains such as .gov. or .edu that appear to have more authority than others, but not everyone can qualify to have one of these, yet they can be experts in their field. To determine that any site hosted publicly by Geocities, Google, Yahoo or whatever as being a "bad research site" is almost slanderous. I have a friend, a top expert in his field, whose site is hosted via Geocities because he is self-employed not a company bumpkin, and I'd back the information on his pages over anyone. Why should his choice of webhost prejudice the information and ideas available through his pages? Just because I purchased a domain name (at considerable expense) does not automatically mean my material is more authoritative than his or anyone else's. Similarly, with print materials. Why are these held up as being "gospel"? I have just written three books, and believe me, my editor and publisher are not going through them to check the accuracy, currency and reliability of the information. They have trusted me to be correct and their job is to edit the semantics and syntax not the information itself. Yet I could have written some quite erroneous stuff and supported this with off-the-wall opinions (I haven't) and because it is published in print format it is accepted as accurate and authoritative. I am reworking one part, not because it was inaccurate, but because the new version will have a wider appeal and therefore boost sales! Like the choice of webhost, the format of the delivery should not be an indicator of the quality of the work. As I write, the local morning show has its out-there Hollywood gossip columnist spruiking his latest observations, yet because of his profession, people would dismiss him as a "good source" despite many of his reports being reliable, current and accurate. Personally, I don't think there is a definitive answer to yes-Wikipedia, no-Wikipedia. In fact, I think it is irrelevant. Our brains are the best filter - when we learn something new, it shuffles down until it finds something that it can match with and supports the existing dendrites. A new dendrite is then created. If there is no match and it is important, we seek further external clarification and information, If it's not we discard it. What we should be teaching our students is the process about how to find out more when we need to know, and following that trail until we have something that sits comfortably with what we already know, do, understand and value, or have an aha! moment that radically alters our thinking.. Barbara Barbara Braxton Teacher Librarian COOMA NSW 2630 AUSTRALIA E. barbara.288@bigpond.com Together we learn from each other -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------