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I have held back to answer, but a couple of things really steam me about hiring the LMS w/o certification or degree. While my good friend/colleague Shonda B eloquently described the good things for a practicing librarian I would like to point out a few BIG disadvantages. We have a few LMS in our district who came to the job while finishing their media degrees, and I have noticed that several aspects of the job come with difficulty. The LMS who is practicing while still earning the degree isn't aware of many aspects of cataloging and collection development, proactive behaviors to develop true collaboration with teachers, the need for administrative behavior in the LMS position, and the confidence to make the decisions necessary to develop an integrated program. Yes, I know many just out of school need time to learn skills, to. We all need that seasoning time, but I've talked with LMS who really struggle and deal with big issues AFTER the fact because they were not fully prepared. I am angry when I hear this from a librarian, "My assistant does all of our cataloging, because I really don't know how to do it." We already fight an uphill battle about our image and "what we do" besides check out books. It doesn't help when our colleagues aren't fully prepared. I'm not disagreeing with the previous postings, but so far I read all praise for the situations. I just don't think it's a good thing, but we have a Catch-22 here. There is no really effective Plan B because librarians are in short supply. I guess I would feel better if education administrators understood the difficulties that can arise when an LMS is practicing w/o the degree and certification. Thanks for letting me post my two cents here. Those who know me know that I'm not negative, but I'm not ready to praise this situation just yet. Lisa Hunt, NBCT 2005 School Library Media Specialist Apple Creek Elementary Moore, OK lisa3moon@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Barbara Braxton <barbara.288@BIGPOND.COM> To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:18:53 PM Subject: Re: TAR: Librarians hired before degree complete? I am another who was invited to take on the teacher librarian position with plenty of 'teacher' experience but no 'librarian'. I did not have a mentor but I did have a fabulous clerical who taught me about the day-to-day management while I did my masters. Because I now mark some units of that same course I am able to reflect on that experience and, to he honest, I think that, at the time, I was too busy with the daily detail to 'get' the big picture. But I did have some great aha! moments (still do even though I've retired) and, after the first semester, it started to make sense and my expertise became more balanced between skills and understanding. With the papers I mark it is hard to determine whether the candidate is 'in the job' by their responses. Because of another program, I do know the situation of many but I can't say that they give better responses than those who are not. I think there are many other variables including the role models the candidate has had, their personal passion for learning and whether the philosophies they are introduced to actually fit with those they hold, their willingness to be challenged and changed, all those sorts of 'un-measurables'. I might also add that the number of HDs or Distinctions you get is not an indicator of the job you will do. Like everything, it boils down to the relationships you build. The issue that many have with non-qualified personnel is that it gives the impression that anyone can do the job, so if a teacher is appointed I believe that there should be a significant commitment by that person to undertake formal qualifications. If they are already in a course, and are the best candidate for the job it shouldn't be an issue. But if Alissa is in a position to offer this person help with her decision then why do you ask her why she has a problem. That way your advice would be targeted at that issue, Barbara Barbara Braxton Teacher Librarian COOMA NSW 2630 AUSTRALIA E. barbara.288@bigpond.com Together we learn from each other -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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