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Very well said.? Thanks Shonda. The point near the the end about passing the problem up the line is right on.? Please don't flame me, but it makes me wonder if high schools held students to a higher standard it would help everyone--including public and academic libraries. I think high school administrators are the people who really need to hear this.? I'm talking to the choir in this group. I was going to stay out of this discussion, although it has been very interesting.? I just want to briefly share one of our best stories at my current library. A graduate student checked out 5-6 books, never brought them back, so eventually he/she was billed for replacement at the business office--and the bill sat there until graduation time, when he couldn't graduate without paying.? He came back to the library one final time swearing up-and-down that the books were returned.? Our staff person didn't budge.? A few days later a different person came in, and unceremoniously dumped the books on the circ desk, turned on his heel and walked out.? I don't remember exactly how we learned the rest of this, but it turned out that the person who had checked out the books was working on a group project at the time and had given the books to another person in the group, who had never returned them.? The books had evidently been stacked in a lazy kind of stack because you could see dust on the covers in odd patterns and had coffee rings where coffee cups had sat.? They were quite a sight! ?It had been so long since the saga started that we had! removed the items from the catalog, and then had to decide if we wanted to put them back in the collection. The stories we'll have in old age!? Thanks for reading, Donna Donna Nix Plymouth, MN dgillila@aol.com ? University of St. Thomas Minneapolis, MN denix@stthomas.edu www.stthomas.edu/libraries www.mnbatt.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: Shonda Brisco <sbrisco@GMAIL.COM> To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:02 am Subject: Re: [LM_NET] smoked The issue of "lost" or "missing" books isn't just a K-12 issue, as many of you realize. Many of the students in your schools who fail to return their books or complain that they "didn't check them out," grow up to be college students (and even older adults) who seem to replay the same excuse when they visit the academic library!! While there ARE some books that are returned and aren't correctly checked in by our student workers, the majority of lost or missing books are just never returned by lazy or scatter-brained library patrons. Generally the bursar's bill is the biggest prompt to get them to return them to us (the students are charged the cost of the book plus a $20 processing fee--- even if they return the book and are refunded the replacement cost, we still charge the processing fee ----which can be painful!!) One student recently began returning about 40 overdue books from last semester when she received a bursar's bill for over $900. When she returned the books, she still had a balance of over $400 (which I reduced). However, when I searched her "history" of library usage, I discovered that she had borrowed over 200 books during the past year and had "lost" or had overdue fines for 117 of them. You have to wonder how long these individuals were allowed to get away with not taking responsibility for their library privileges as children or young adults? I don't advocate being a "library meanie"...but I DO hope that school librarians (and administrators) continue to require their students to take responsibility for the library materials that they borrow and / or pay for their lost materials. The trend of irresponsible behavior by students will continue throughout college and adulthood if we do not address this problem at the K-12 levels. Keep up the good work and know that we are also trying to *teach (and reteach) social responsibility* even at the academic levels. ~Shonda -- Shonda Brisco Assistant Professor / Curriculum Materials Librarian Mary L. 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