Nancy--compare any other encyclopedia or secondary textbook to Zinn's
"A peoples history of the United States" and you'll find a great deal
of history left out! (Sadly, this will be especially true of my
state...)
Kathy Fester
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The June Shelton School & Evaluation Center
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On May 25, 2010, at 2:00 AM, LM_NET automatic digest system wrote:
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> 1. Overdues Rant
> 2. Wikipedia
> 3. OVERDUE BOOKS RANT
> 4. GEN: Help with hidden images "The Beatles"
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> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:02:28 -0500
> From: Jan Cole <n2books@CABLEONE.NET>
> Subject: Re: Overdues Rant
>
> Carol (and others)
> After 30 + years teaching I noticed many of the parents of my
> students =
> had been my students at one time and I looked at the overdues from =
> another viewpoint.
> I used it as a teachable moment for the parents and crafted a letter =
> like this: (I don't have the original any more unfortunately.)
> Dear______________
> The book Johnny has checked out has never returned. We've checked
> the =
> shelves and the classroom but the book never came in. No one likes
> to =
> pay for a lost book, but unfortunately these things happen. This
> can be =
> used as a teachable moment to show your child the way to take =
> responsibility for doing the right thing when they do lose a book.
> Your =
> example will be a lesson that will make a lasting impact on your
> child.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I never had a parent who protested and they always paid up.
> Hope this helps. (Wish I could find the original but I left it on
> the =
> school computer when I retired from teaching.)
>
> Jan Cole
> Duncan Public Library
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> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:07:50 +0800
> From: Barbara COMBES <b.combes@ECU.EDU.AU>
> Subject: Re: Wikipedia
>
> I suppose the main issue with wikipedia is how kids use it. Instead
> of look=
> ing for a range of information from a range of sources to verify
> what they =
> have and to seek different points of view, students today want the
> one-stop=
> -shop. How we teach kids to use wikipedia is the issue, not
> necessarily the=
> source. Until teachers set real investigative assignments that
> require thi=
> nking and decision making and utilise TLs for guided inquiry use
> multiple q=
> uality resources, kids will use the one-stop-shop. A major issue is
> that th=
> ey think they can do this at university level too.
>
> Another issue for Gen Y - if they can't find it online within the
> first 4-6=
> results on a Google search, they assume it isn't there, rather than
> I don'=
> t know. One of the most important thngs we need to teach our
> students is th=
> e ability to recognise when they don't know and to seek an IS
> specialist (T=
> L) to help them find out.
> :)
> BC
>
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> .SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Nancy Willard
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:30 AM
> To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: [LM_NET] Wikipedia
>
> Which naturally leads to the question of how many times World Book
> has "sha=
> ped" or "omitted" certain information about the actions of the
> United State=
> s government. Compare what is in World Book to The People's History
> of the =
> United States.
>
> Nancy
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>
> Giffard, Sue wrote:
>> Let's not forget that the World Book made certain changes in its
>> content =
> to align it with Chinese government policy in its Chinese edition:
> http://w=
> ww.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6448199.html?q=3Dworld+book
> +china
>> Profit wins over "accurate information" in this case, so how can we
>> possi=
> bly present the World Book Encyclopedia to our students as an
> authoritative=
> source written by experts?
>>
>> Sue Giffard
>> Ethical Culture School
>> New York, NY 10023
>> sgiffard@ecfs.org
>> (212)712-6292
>>
>> "Perhaps the only victory available [is] the victory of the heart
>> over it=
> s own inclinations for despair, revenge and hatred." (Leonard Cohen,
> Septem=
> ber 24, 2009)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: School Library Media & Network Communications on behalf of
>> Nancy Wi=
> llard
>> Sent: Mon 5/24/2010 11:40 AM
>> To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Wikipedia
>>
>> I was asked:
>>
>> What about an authoritative source written by experts in the field
>> such a=
> s World Book Online or Student Resource Center.
>>
>> Good question.
>> <http://news.cnet.com/Study-Wikipedia-as-accurate-as-Britannica/2100-1038=
> _3-5997332.html>
>>
>>
>>> Wikipedia is about as good a source of accurate information as
>>> Britannica, the venerable standard-bearer of facts about the world
>>> around us, according to a study published this week in the journal
>>> Natur=
> e.
>>>
>>> In response to situations like these and others in its history,
>>> Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales has always maintained that the service
>>> and its community are built around a self-policing and self-cleaning
>>> nature that is supposed to ensure its articles are accurate.
>>>
>>> Still, many critics have tried to downplay its role as a source of
>>> valid information and have often pointed to the Encyclopedia
>>> Britannica as an example of an accurate reference.
>>>
>>> For its study, Nature chose articles from both sites in a wide range
>>> of topics and sent them to what it called "relevant" field experts
>>> for
>>> peer review. The experts then compared the competing articles--one
>>> from each site on a given topic--side by side, but were not told
>>> which
>>> article came from which site. Nature got back 42 usable reviews from
>>> its field of experts.
>>>
>>> In the end, the journal found just eight serious errors, such as
>>> general misunderstandings of vital concepts, in the articles. Of
>>> those, four came from each site. They did, however, discover a
>>> series
>>> of factual errors, omissions or misleading statements. All told,
>>> Wikipedia had 162 such problems, while Britannica had 123.
>>>
>>> That averages out to 2.92 mistakes per article for Britannica and
>>> 3.86
>>> for Wikipedia.
>>>
>>
>> This creates a problem. If there is a perception that information
>> included in an "authoritative source" like an encyclopedia is
>> "accurate"
>> what about the times when it is not accurate? When students conduct
>> research on Wikipedia they must keep in mind that people can edit the
>> material on Wikipedia, so it is always important to check the actual
>> cites and to look in a number of places to see if the information is
>> consistent. If we teach them to trust an "authoritative source" are
>> we
>> merely misleading them?
>>
>> So how should we teach abut information credibility?
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:09:05 -0400
> From: Carol Peterson <cpeterson79@AOL.COM>
> Subject: Re: OVERDUE BOOKS RANT
>
> Our county has a policy that if a student owes ANY money to the
> school sys=
> tem (library fines, lost text books, band or sports uniforms, etc)
> they do=
> not get to participate in the graduation ceremony. This begins in
> grade=
> 6 (our middle school) and continues through junior and senior high
> school=
> . So, when my 8th and 9th grade students get notices to come see me
> in th=
> e library about lost/overdue books/fines, I point this out to
> them.. They=
> don't believe me, until I show them the written policy. That helps
> somew=
> hat. At graduation practice the day before graduation, they
> actually pull=
> kids out of line and tell them they will not march the next evening
> if th=
> ey do not pay their fines. So, we get the money eventually! We
> also have=
> a comic strip posted in our window.....I believe it's Far Side....
> that=
> shows a graduation where the principal is saying to the next diploma
> reci=
> pient, "'whoa, whoa, not so fast....you still owe a fine from "Green
> Eggs=
> and Ham" that you checked out in elementary school" (paraphrased).
> Throu=
> ghout this year, I have sent notices to students, talked to them
> face to=
> face, sent letters to parents, and made phone calls. and I am amazed
> at=
> how ineffective it all is. I'm sending out one last batch of
> notices on=
> Monday. After that, we turn all fines over to the bookkeeper who
> sends=
> another letter from the principal during the summer. Sometimes
> that is=
> "scarier" than getting a letter from the librarians! Good luck!
>
>
>
>
> Carol H. Peterson
> N. B. Clements JHS
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> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:48:46 -0500
> From: "Sharron L. McElmeel" <mcelmeel@MCELMEEL.COM>
> Subject: GEN: Help with hidden images "The Beatles"
>
> I have a copy of "THE BEETLE ALPHABET BOOK" by Jerry Pallotta and I
> know (because Jerry told me) that there are references to "The
> Beatles" (John, Paul, George, and Ringo) hidden within its pages.
>
> I don't know enough about the Beatles to find the references. for
> example: There's some words/letters hidden among the blades of grass
> on the "I" page; and words on the back of the Leaf Beetle on the "L"
> page; and letters camouflaged on the back of the Net-winged Beetle on
> the "N" page. Perhaps they are song titles -- I just don't know
> enough about "The Beatles" and their songs.
>
> Is anyone (or their students) an expert on the Beatles that might
> spot the references within this book?
>
> Thanks for any clues.
> Sharron McElmeel
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