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Hi Group, Two days ago I posted a question about ck out policies and have been amazed by the responses. I need to clarify 3 points. Although our policy is a district one, it was not made by the board, but by the media specialists. All students have free access to the media centers at all times. The elementary students come to the MC once a week for checkout, but are welcome to come back as often as they want. The same is true for the middle school. Also, the child in question was not allowed to check out a book because the one she had out was overdue. Here is the 2nd part of my hit. **We tell our elem. students two for fun and what you need for your assignments. This way we have a limit on the most popular like I Spy and other non instructional favorites, but never create a situation in which a child can not have access to materials needed for assignments. We make exceptions for individual students who are avid readers or have some other special circumstance. This is usually after a discussion with the parent and or teacher. Our kids have daily access for book eschange so this seems to work for us. The other part of the discussion with the students is if they have more than the two for fun they need to stay on top of things overdue wise. We limit students with long term overdue problems to one at a time if we feel it is necessary. You might try to explain one reason for the limit is to provide access to all students as a mater of equity. **In our district the same stipulations are put on the student checkouts. Kindergarten and preschool get one book, 1st through 5 get 2....I'm not sure about 6th-12th. It works well some of the time. I have had problems when 4th and 5th graders go to do reports. They have a book checked out for reading, one checked out because they've read it, but need it for a book report, and then they can't check out books to use for the science or social studies reports. I can do an override on the automated system, but it is time consuming. Another problem...when I was in school, we got to go to the library anytime we wished. It was there, we got to use it. Not so I'm finding in the larger districts. There is a scheduled "checkout time" once a week and that is the only time a student gets to check out. Excuse me, but a kindergartener checks out a book on Tuesday, takes it home and reads it, and doesn't get another one until the NEXT Tuesday. I don't feel that is instilling a love of reading, and definitely not good reading habits. If this is happening in your district, then I can see why a parent would be upset. I am strongly against once a week checkout times. I no longer have them here at my school, and as this is the first year teachers have not had them, many balked at the idea. And are still doing so. But the kids love the free access to the library. Having open access to the library has cut down on overdue books, but has increased reading and library usage, and I don't feel they need to have more than 2 or 3 books out at time. I've gone off on a tirade. I hope I haven't stepped on any toes. But you don't know me, so I guess I can say anything I want, right? You can even delete these message and say, "WHy do I get all the nuts?" and I won't know the difference. **Rights??? Are there rights to books spelled out in our constitution??? I WISH! I asked for comments about increasing the number of checkouts or doing away with limits altogether. I haven't posted a hit because of some e-mail problems, but I'll try again & maybe it will work this time. Right now I'm sticking with the same limits you have, because I have virtually no help with shelving. **I can't resist responding to this hit. Why would you limit the number of books a child may check out, unless your collection is very small? Don't we as adults get unlimited check out at public libraries? Where will children learn how to handle unlimited check out unless they get the practice? I have unlimited check out in my K - 6 library, I lose very few books and I feel kids love to read here. When I first became a librarian, I did have a limit on the books a child could take. Then I noticed that the non readers, the children who did not like to read, etc. figured out that if they took 2 books home and left them there all year, they would never need to check out another book.......that convinced me that a limited check out was detrimental to my goal of all kids reading all the time....so I changed my policy, I have unlimited check out and it works for me. I feel it trains kids to be responsible for books and trains them for adult use of libraries. **Debra - our policy is 2 books for middle schoolers and 3 for high school students. My opinion is why does anyone...myself included...need more than 2 books at anytime? You can only read one at a time and maybe have another one for research purposes. Other people might like to be reading the extra books that I have sitting around waiting to be read because I can check out an infinite number?! Just an opinion. Our policy also says that if a middle school student has one overdue...thay can't have any other books out. When I get the overdue back, full privileges (2 books) are allowed. **I don't think our library policy is necessarily board policy. We are a small K-12 library so that might make a difference. Kindergarten and 1st grade check out one book for a week. 2nd grade checks out 2 books, 3rd grade 3 books, etc. all the way to Seniors who can check out as many as 12 books for two weeks. Middle school and above check out books for two weeks. This seems to work well. They can bring them back at any time, not just during their scheduled library time. **I am a second year librarian and limit, with common sense, the books children check out. This means if a student is responsible and does not have overdues consistently, he/she can check out 4-5 books. To do this, I must override the system. Sometimes, I have students who check out more, but rarely. I feel I can check out 7 books at the public library (and do); yet, when I get home, some are not what I had anticipated. I want more choice so I feel the student needs more choice. Like one of my professors stated: "As long as there are books on the shelves, I will check out books with no limit" (within reason, of course). The teachers have more of a problem with this than I do. I am in a small elementary school (275) and had fewer than 10 books lost last year. So, I feel that it worked okay. When a student asks, "How many books can I check out?" I ask, "How many books do you want to read?" Another reason for not limiting which I find is that sometimes the students must check out books for class projects, and in so doing, would use up the limit. **The schools on our shared online catalog have agreed to the following limits on checkout. The media specialist can override at checkout to allow a student to check out more books. Pre-K through 2nd grade - 2 books at a time Third through 5th - 3 books at a time 6th through 8th - 5 books at a time High School - 20 books at a time I see the limitations as a balance between personal responsibility and the size of a library's collection. **There are many considerations in changing your check out policy. Of course, the obvious one would be the size of your collection. I am a librarian at a private Catholic high school with a collection of just over 7,500. I limit checkouts to six items (books, videos, pamphlets, magazines) so that they don't deplete a particular topic. You might increase it by one or two but make sure that a student does not check out all of your books on a particular subject. Food for thought...but whatever you decide make sure that it is a good decision for the entire student body and not a result of the presure of one parent. **Our 16 elementary schools limit # of check outs to 2 for K-6, with additional books allowed for research purposes. In grades 7-12, we allow 3 (again, the librarian can override that at his/her discretion). **Please post a hit on this. We are about to move into a new system and will be looking at those policies again. Have some library assistants who equate their "success" with allowing larger numbers of books to be checked out in order to inflate their stats. Just wondering how other schools look at the issue. **Our schools are allowed to set their own maximum check out policies. For my HS, I allow them to have 5 items out at any one time. This helps me maintain the integrity of our collection in a couple of ways: 1. A single student cannot check out all of the materials on a given subject, leaving none for others. 2. It limits our potential losses, because some students never bring back anything and never pay fines. (We also don't allow check out if a student has an overdue.) 3. Elementary students especially aren't capable of keeping track of an unlimited number of books. Allowing them to come and exchange books daily usually solves this issue, in my experience. **Our checkout policy allows the Kindergarten students to check out only 1 book at a time. Grades one through 8 may take two books at a time. Starting in fifth grade they may also check out one magazine with their books and two magazines starting in 6th grade. We have set our maximum checkout at 5 items allowing them a couple of items for doing research projects. **In our elem. LMC, the 2nd graders check out 2 books and so do the 3rd and 4th graders. Our policy is that they may return them anytime and checkout new books. There has been no problem. **Our policy allows K-2 to check out 2 books at a time. The 4-6 can have 3 books at a time. Any time that they bring those books back, they may check out more- before and after school, during free time, etc. And I let anyone that is doing a report for a class to have whatever they need- but only 3 recreational books. **I don't see that you are violating her rights. It's not as if she can never check out more than 2 books for the entire year!!!! If she is responsible with the 2 she takes, then she can take 2 more, right? To help her with that responsibility, you are allowing her to take an amount she can remember. If there were an unlimited amount, I would be willing to bet that the first ones checked out would end up at the bottom of the locker or desk as new ones were checked out. Letting them just keep on checking out books promotes irresponsibility- it is easier to check out another one than it is to look for the 5 that I have somewhere else- in the car, under the bed, etc. **I believe that the district policy should stand as it is. You didn't state whether or not you are automated. I am presently in a K-8 School with a 16,000 volume collection, 38 classes a week, an aide for just 3 hours a day and in the process of trying to get the bar codes onto the books so we can begin automation. Since Sept 6, we have less than 300 books done. I let K-3 take only one book per week. Grades 4-8 may take two, unless they have a special report due in which case the books are signed out under the name of their teacher. If we changed this # to more than 2, the record keeping would be insurmountable. Stick with the 2 books. Let me know what is decided. **I have a k12 library. We allow k to take 1 book, first takes 1 or 2, 2nd takes 2, 3rd takes 3 and 4,5,6 take as many as they would like. We are a school population of about 35-40 students per grade. If I have an over ambitious student who wants to take out 13 books, I caution him/her that these books are due in 1 week and can he/she read all of those in 1 week? Usually the students are quite reasonable about the books they take and I do not have a problem. **How often do students check out? We allow elementary students to check out 2 books at a time; however, they may exchange books daily. It is my feeling that if you increase the number of books young children may check out, you will also increase the number of books lost and damaged. We allow kindergarten students to check out only one book. **Our elementaries check out 1 book at a time for a week (they can checkout as often as they want); Junior High gets 2 books for 2 weeks; and High School gets 3 for 2 weeks. **I also limit the number of books they can check out, but they can come back twice a day and change them out if they want. Would that work for you? **We are an independent 1-12 school. Our lower school students can check out the same number books as their grade for grades 1-5. Grades 6-12 may check out 5 books at a time, although we occasionally let them go over the limit for special projects. Hope this helps. **We allow a total of four. If they have lost one or one is overdue, then they can only check out 3 more. **We don't have a district policy, but at our 4 -6 school, we say 2 books for pleasure. Then they may have large group literature books out, 2 books for project/research, one for the local Battle of books program(sponsored by our local public library), and when I see they really forget a booka nd want another , it's ok with me.(the old line- with special permission!) You can see it's loose. We have flexible scheduling so they are in and out all the time.works well for us **We have no district policy, but I have set a limit of 3 even here at high school and it works well to keep things in circulation to someone who is actually using (rather than hoarding). I always explain that as soon as they're finished with one they can return it and get another for their project and that if they're assiduously attacking one full time they didn't need the others anyway. **I also limit checkout to two books for 2-5 grade and 1 for kindergarten and first semester for first. I also tell them that if they would like a different book before their library day they return their book(s) and get other ones. This helps those who are always needing more. Explain that if you allowed more that you will be losing more due to lost books and books that never get returned or paid for. I sent a letter home explaining our checkout policy to parents and had them sign it. I also mentioned how the following year we lost 15 books at about $15.00 per book to replace for a total loss of $225. I hope this helps. Part 3 to follow. Debra Ventling Berry Middle School Lebanon Ohio Devbravent@aol.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. 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