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A few days ago I posted a note asking for ideas on how to get teachers to interact with their students while the class was in the MC. In my case I was talking about High School which can be very different from an Elementary school visit. Many of us have the same problem. I took the responses and put them into categories with a few quotes for each category. (Also, apologies for not putting a header on my previous message about card catalog stock) 1. Teacher sends students and doesn't arrive until much later or not at all. I send students back to class if their teacher is not with them when they arrive at the library. If the teacher does not arrive within 5 minutes, I call the administration office & inform them that I am sending the class back to the classroom (yeah, it is heavy handed, but I am not a doormat). If the teacher has not arrived within 2 minutes of the students, I leave the library, find the teacher, and say, "Your class is in the library and you need to be there too. I only have the teacher stay when it is a unit that needs two professionals - then, the teacher has had input into the lesson and know they are needed. Generally, that is about 1 out of 3 times. I never see teachers in the media center, and I prefer it that way. I have my own set of rules, discipline procedures, and consequences. (It has to be an extreme instance for me to send a student to the principal, and I never send them back to class.) 2. Teacher does not help during the visit. I am not defending teachers in any way shape or form with this, but there are some teachers who are afraid of libraries and some who are information illiterate who prefer not to help because they (think) they don't know how. We think because it is easy and obvious to us, it should be to other adults and that may not be so. I throw terms around like multiple access point , boolean operators and get mad when they don't know what I mean. When you're instructing, I'm sure you say, right before you send them off to do their research And don't forget I'm here to help you. Try saying Myself and Mr or Mrs. So-and-so are here to help you. The teacher would be embarrassed not to help after that. The first time a class comes to the library and isn't under control, I send a personal note to the teacher, explaining what didn't work, and the effect that had on others in the library. The second time it happens I cc the department head and the third time (if that happens, which is rare) I cc the principal. I take my cue from the teacher. If s/he is taking the opportunity to read the latest People magazine while his/her class is in the library, I dissappear into my office. As students have questions, send some of them to interrupt their teachers. 3. Subsitutes Another situation that I get is when a teacher knows he/she is going to be absent, and schedules a library visit for that day (of course they don't tell me). Presto lesson plan---Not I have sent many unhappy subs back to class to fend for themselves. The next day I then have a word with the teacher. 4. PrePlanning My teacher information sheet that goes out to all at the beginning of the year sets up expectations. The teacher will... The library media specialist will. I did my interning in a district where teachers are required to stay with the class. The LMS showed me a neat list she created called something like "What to do while your class is in the library." It was very creative and eye-catching. Wish I had a copy of it. But I remember there were about 20 items. Common-sense ones like Help them select appropriate reading levels. Get to know your students' outside interests. Keep them on the right track for research materials. Let your students catch you reading your favorites. etc. Then she had dumb stuff like File your nails. Go make a phone call. Obvious sarcasm. Have a very simple form that you fill out quickly with teachers when they sign-up (Tell the teachers you need it to be ready for the class and as a reminder when the class actually comes in.) Teacher Class Day & Period Level Assignment as given to the students and/or any handout the students must follow. Instruction the teacher feels the class might need--on-line catalog, periodicals indexes, etc. Teacher preferences for student checkout (limit on books, reserve shelf, no restrictions, etc.) How did it go? Changes we need to make next time. (This done with teacher after class.) We have a printed form that we give teachers when they plan with us and sigh up to use the LMC. It says: YOUR CLASSTIME IN THE MEDIA CENTER WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IF YOU: 1. DISCUSS YOUR LESSON WITH A MEDIA SPECIALIST WHO WILL SUGGEST GOOD LIBRARY MEDIA STRATEGIES 2. ENTER WITH YOUR STUDENTS 3. INTERACT WITH THE KIDS 4. MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE FOR BEING IN THE LMC BEFORE YOU BRING THEM 5. HAVE YOUR STUDENTS CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES AND PUSH THEIR CHAIRS IN I just joined this listserv and I ususally don't have anything to contribute because I just started an MLS program. Your message intrigued me because it's a common problem among museum educators. I work for the Museum of the City of New York and we find this problem with some teachers and others fully take charge. Deborah Stafford Gen H.H. Arnold HS Department of Defense Dependents Schools Wiesbaden Germany stafford@email.wiesbaden.army.mil or deborah_stafford@ccmail.odedodea.edu