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Many good suggestions have been made for preventing plagiarism.....As Doug Johnson points out, in the technological world we live in it is nearly impossible to keep it from happening. While doing something other than a report has value, I believe it is important for students to learn to organize and write what they have learned---The entire research process is of great value, not just the product. But the product when it is writing is born of great effort. I'd like to propose that we think about whether plagiarism could ever be good. We learn to speak by mimicking the words that we hear spoken. Every skill we learn is learned in this manner. We know now that children must hear words -- words must be part of their known universe before they can learn to read them. Under certain conditions could using anothers words (slightly altered) be a helpful tool for many students in the process of learning to write and write well. Perhaps there is a good kind of plagiarism and a bad kind. Here are the conditions under which "good" plagiarism might happen. 1) the student has struggled and produced a goodly amount of research which indicates a depth of study and understanding of the subject. 2) the student is fascinated and excited about the information and can discuss it with you showing that their personal database (brain) has undergone transformation because of the research. 3) the student uses words which require him/her to learn new meanings and usages and expand his/her vocabulary 4)the student values words and putting them together or wordsmithing---- 5)the student has combined his/her information to create a new understanding of the subject. Now, before you write me off as a crack pot---I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE TURN OUR HEADS AND PRETEND THAT THE STUDENT CAN WRITE SOMTHING AS ELOQUENTLY AS THE PERSON THEY ARE "PLAGIARIZING"-- I am suggesting that we acknowledge that the student has used other's ideas and even some of their words in writing the paper--then we can help them move beyond using someone else's words... It has always been true that ideas build one on another. I was amazed when I first realized this as a young student. That many of my favorite authors who were expressing similar ideas were indeed acquainted and corresponded. Perhaps we each add our individual flavor to the mix, but we need to recognize that our work is built on the foundations of others..... Bad plagiarism would occur when a student simiply stole someone's words and ideas to get a grade. When this happens it is farily easy to see that they have stolen their material since they can't even tell you, in a coherent way, what was in their paper. Anyone out there that has had this thought? --Just thinking outloud. -- Karen McIntyre, Librarian In times of change learners inherit the earth kjmcinty@tenet.edu while the learned find themselves beautifully Ramirez & Guadalupe Elm. equipped to deal with a world that no longer Lubbock, TX exists. Eric Hoffer =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= To quit LM_NET (or set NOMAIL or DIGEST), Send an email message to listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST * NOTE: Please allow time for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help & Archives see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=