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If the kid can't improve on another's words, he or she can at least use quotation marks or indented block format, with source citation -- that may be poor or lazy work, but at least is not _per_se_ dishonest. At 11:28 PM 3/21/98 -0700, kjmcinty@tenet.edu wrote [as edited]: >... >Here are the conditions under which "good" plagiarism might happen. >1) The student has struggled and produced a goodly amount of research >which indicates a depth of study and understanding of the subject. >2) The student is fascinated and excited about the information and can >discuss it with you showing that [his or her] personal database (brain) has >undergone transformation [i.e., learning] because of the research. 3) The student uses >words which require [learning] new meanings and usages and expand[ing] >... vocabulary 4) The student values words and putting them together >or wordsmithing. 5) The student has combined ... information to >create a new understanding of the subject. As student who has done all that can certainly do his or her own writing -- and almost certainly HAS done so (including proper use of quoted material, shown AS quoted, and with source cited). In any event, by definition "plagiarism" is bad (it is dishonest, and it is theft). To speak of "good plagiarism" is as much a contradiction in terms as speaking of "good corruption" or "good theft." Just my $.02. Ken -- Kenneth W. Umbach, Ph.D., Policy Analyst California Research Bureau, California State Library 900 N St., Suite 300 -- Sacramento, California 95814 E-mail: kumbach@unlimited.net or kumbach@library.ca.gov Phone (voice) 916-653-6002 (fax) 916-654-5829 Personal Web page and selected papers: http://members.unlimited.net/~kumbach This message reflects my opinion, not that of my employer or anyone else. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= To quit LM_NET (or set NOMAIL or DIGEST), Send an email message to listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST * NOTE: Please allow time for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help & Archives see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=