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At the risk of beating a dead horse I've decided to join in this thread. While I may not be as articulate as some who have "spoken" before me, I feel so strongly about this that I must write, even if I say nothing new and do not say it well. I think the problem with this "controversy" is that both sides are right. (Not all that unique as controversies go!) I feel that I am in a position to see and speak for both sides. I am currently a candidate for my Masters Degree and a library assistant in a public library. My job responsibilities are in tech services, circulation and the children's dept. but all my passion is for children's services. In addition, for four years I helped to run the library at my children's elementary school because the school district had (shortsightedly) eliminated the librarian position. Then when they finally reinstated it they hired one librarian for four schools (3 elementary and the middle school). This year two teachers share the 4 schools. Progress but we're not there yet. Important to note: there are not now and there were not then any aides. Parents were solely responsible for the library--book selection, weeding, processing, clerical etc. As you can imagine there was no teaching going on--just reader and reference guidance and storytime. Without us there would have been no library experience at all. As I said earlier, now I work in a children's room in a public library with only one library science course under my belt so far. I am not a trained librarian (yet). I always tell a patron (child or adult) when I do not know the answer and do not know how to find it. But from on the job experience I know an awful lot. I can make recommendations for reluctant and avid readers. I understand reading levels. I know how to use indices and our PAC to its greatest advantage. Hell, yes there is a lot I still need to learn...But what I've learned through life experience, reading professional journals and this listserv counts for a lot. Let's all work together and forget this we/they mentality. There is a place for everyone.. Once I am degreed I will be better educated but I will be the same dedicated person I was prior to the addition of initials after my name. Absolutely, administrators must realize the importance of degreed librarians. Absolutely, library and information skills are the keys to our children's futures. But let's not waste any more time dissing those who are doing what they can with the resources they have. Thanks for listening/reading. Nancy Riemer Kellner Senior Library Assistant, Shrewsbury Public Library Masters candidate, URI Library and Information Systems NKellner@aol.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= To quit LM_NET (or set NOMAIL or DIGEST), Send an email message to listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST * NOTE: Please allow time for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help & Archives see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=