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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:09:48 -0400
From: Gordon Riley <Gordon_Riley@MERCERSBURG.EDU>
ementary level web sites about the
Solar System.
Got any good ones??
Thanks in advance!
I'll post a hit at the end of next week.
Karen DeFrank, LMS
Dorothy L. Bullock Elementary School
Glassboro, NJ 08028
kdefrank@glassboro.k12.nj.us
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Subject: Re: Censorship publishing a listserv
That is not what I said. I said that your opinion about the value of my =
posts does not "constitute peer review," as in the editorial process of a =
published review. I neither said nor implied anything about the value of =
your post.
Gordon Riley
Electronic Resources Librarian
Mercersburg Academy
Mercersburg, PA
Gordon_riley@mercersburg.edu
The opinions expressed are my own!
"It's all about sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made." =
Former NFL Head Coach Monte Clark.
>>> Bobby & Tracy Riley <tandrriley@MINDSPRING.COM> 09/08 10:52 PM >>>
so your saying it is worthy, yet it does not deserve peer review. I'm
confused. Anyway, no need to squabble over semantices. Either way you
inferred by point of view did not warrant inclusion on this list. Does =
that
make you a censor.
Peace,
Bobby Riley
BobbyRiley@mindspring.com=3D20=20
Libray Media Specialist
Riverside Educational Academy
New Haven, CT
P.S. this is my last post in this regard. No use beating a dead horse!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon Riley <Gordon_Riley@MERCERSBURG.EDU>
To: <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Censorship publishing a listserv
> I said "constitute peer review" not "worthy."
>
> In college, I used to run a recreational softball game, that played on =
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> Sunday afternoons. I started it, I recruited people to play, I brought =
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> the bases and layed out the field every week, I even bought a brand new =
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> softball every week. I settled arguments, made people follow rules, and =
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> led a democratic negotiating process that created our 2 fouls after 2 =
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> strikes and you're out rule.
>
> I did it for several years out of my love for the game and because I =3D
> wanted to play in a game of this nature. I never once thought of it as =
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> "my game," and if enough people disagreed with me about something, I =3D
> usually let them have their way. Even if I would have thought of it as =
my
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> game, it still belonged to the people who played.
>
> And nobody is going to convince me that anybody "owns" a listserv. You =
=3D
> can own a web page, but a group is a group is a group. I helped to =
build
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> this listserv, and publib, by writing things that made people want to =
read
=3D
> the listserv and write to it. And I helped build the lists by giving =
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> people good, prompt answers to people. =3D20
>
> I could start another listserv and compete for readers, but I don't =
think
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> that is productive. It is unnecessary duplication. People would have =
to
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> choose and miss some stuff, or read more listservs and have less time. =
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> No, I am going to continue to work to make the listservs that I care =
about
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> to be the best they can be. If that means arguing, so be it.
>
> And nobody is going to convince me that being more orderly or more like =
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> the publishing industry, or more fractured into little discussion groups =
=3D
> is the direction that library listservs need to go. We need to be more =
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> hairy, and more free, and more argumentative, and more open in our =3D
> listservs - if we want to continue to advance our profession and our =3D
> standing and our interests and our intellects and our abilites by =3D
> participating in group discussions that listservs facilitate.
>
> Many of my critics sound like a Technology Director I know, who forbids =
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> his students from sending any email to the White House. It seems that =
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> somebody sent a bomb threat, they had Secret Service, it was a big pain =
in
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> his ass - and now he has a policy. Most of us can probably see that his =
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> petty personal interests are interfering with other people's legitimate =
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> freedom of expression - but he will never see it that way
>
> Gordon Riley
> Electronic Resources Librarian
> Mercersburg Academy
> Mercersburg, PA
> Gordon_riley@mercersburg.edu=20
> The opinions expressed are my own!
>
> "It's all about sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made."
=3D
> Former NFL Head Coach Monte Clark.
>
> >>> "Bobby Riley" <bobbyriley@mindspring.com> 09/08 9:42 PM >>>
> I never infered that the internet should be under the purview or in any =
=3D
> way
> related to the publishing industry. The analogy was used to demonstrate
> that publishers are private entities, as is this listserv, and as such
> discretion is used when selecting material. Neither a Publisher nor Mr.
> Milbury is bound to publish the items which cross their desks. If you =
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> feel
> that such an egregious fault was committed you can choose to no longer
> partake in this listserv, publish your own or seek out others that offer
> content in which you are interested. You are obviously intelligent and =
=3D
> you
> have generated some heated debate, however I, as do many others, =
disagree
> with you on this point, such is life. However, to submit that my =
posting
> does not warrant peer review is ludicrous, you are the only member of =
this
> listserv.that responded negatively to my comments. In conclusion, if my
> post was not worthy of review, why did you bother responding to it?
>
> Peace,
> Bobby Riley
> BobbyRiley@mindspring.com=3D20=20
> Libray Media Specialist
> Riverside Educational Academy
> New Haven, CT
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gordon Riley <Gordon_Riley@mercersburg.edu>
> To: <tandrriley@MINDSPRING.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Censorship publishing a listserv
>
>
> This publisher argument is spurrious. Why don't we encourage Random =
House
> to take over the Internet and select the whole thing for us? Because =
the
> whole point of the Internet is that it is democratic, things that might =
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> not
> otherwise be published can be disseminated. I suggest that anyone who
> thinks that publishers' selections are not a form of censorship to look =
at
> the history of a book called "A Confederacy of Dunces," by John Kennedy
> Toole - or try to find a copy of Baby Be Bop in a bookstore. The =
Internet
> is BETTER than the publishing industry, from an Intellectual Freedom
> standpoint because of a lack of censorship by selection. Listservs are =
=3D
> not
> publishing houses and moderators are not editors and your opinion does =
not
> constitute peer review. We don't need to make the Internet more like =
the
> publishing industry, nor should we want to.
>
> Gordon Riley
> Electronic Resources Librarian
> Mercersburg Academy
> Mercersburg, PA
> Gordon_riley@mercersburg.edu=3D20=20
> The opinions expressed are my own!
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