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I agree with Alice Yucht (quoted below) that we should say where we have already looked when we ask for bibliographical help. Then our helpers won't waste their time. And as professionals we should know the names of good references, or how to find them, and we should attempt to use such sources first. Right on, Alice! On the other hand, a goodly number of us are not in libraries with large budgets, nor are we near a college or public library that has good reference books. So, I just want to say that we SHOULD NOT BE EMBARRASSED to ask this list for help if our resources are limited to, for example, vendors catalogs, such as Permabound and Follett, and our textbook from Children's Lit! I do like Alice's list of resources. Her citations that I personally find most useful: 1) Freeman's -Books Kids will Sit Still For- (which is o.p., but -More Books Kids Will Sit Still For- may still be in print); and 2) -A to Zoo-. -Bowker's Best Books for Children- is very good. And I would not be without the catalogs from Permabound (800-637-6581) and Follett (800-435-6170). And I can't do without the Follett online catalog site --- for which, though it's free, you have to sign up (www.flr.follett.com) --- and the Amazon site (www.amazon.com), and the online catalog of our local public library system (mln.lib.ma.us/MARION). And that's not all. I also use the lists developed by Dale Copps which are now maintained by Nancy Rundlett (www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett/rl) and the online catalogs from several school library systems including OCM BOCES in NY (http://netcat.library.net) and SUNLINK in Florida (http://sunlink.brodart.com/search/fl/fl_ex.html). And I can't say enough good things about D. K. Brown's site, the Children's Literature Web Guide (www.ucalgary.ca/~dkbrown/index.html), especially its lists of teacher resources, including a great Cinderella variances page. By the way, one of the most useful elementary and middle school library sources for finding poems is the -Index to Poetry for Children and Young People-. The latest edition came out in 1998. It costs $63.00 + s.h., from H. W. Wilson, and if you buy it, try to order 10 to 20 of the books it indexes right away because anthologies of poetry go out of print pretty fast. (Wilson: 800-367-6770.) It is great for answering questions such as: "Where can I find poems on snow?" or "Where can I find a copy of the poem, 'Homework'. I imagine a lot of libraries can't afford this poetry reference, and may rely on our forum or the nearest reference department of the public library to help them with poetry questions. Also, I imagine that there will be more and more fools like me who retire and love trying to track down the answers to questions from you busy people in the field who mostly, counting home care as one, have two full-time jobs. All the best, Joan Kimball On September 29, 1999, Alice Yucht wrote: >A word of advice to all who post "send titles" requests to LM_NET: >Tell us what bibliographic resources you've *already* checked, >in your search for books for a teacher, your grad. school project, >dissertation, workshop presentation, etc. >As an information professional (or about to be one), we'd like >to assume that you know about the standard resources in the field, >and have already looked in them. . . . and are not just asking the >rest of us to do your basic research for you. >For example, did you check the indexes in: >Children's Catalog >Middle/Junior High School Catalog >High School Catalog >Elementary School Library Collection >Books Kids Will Sit Still For >Genreflecting >A to Zoo, >and all the other PROFESSIONAL RESOURCES published >by Bowker, H. W. Wilson, Libraries Unlimited, Linworth, et al, >for your topic, *before* posting your request to LM_Net? > >Tell us what you've used so far, so that we don't waste our time. > >Thank you. > >Alice H. Yucht, Librarian and Teacher of Librarians >Heritage Middle School, Livingston NJ >Aliceinfo@aol.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv For LM_NET Help & Archives see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=