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Hi, this is Pam Williams and I have received some wonderful responses to my dilemna concerning whether to move from my present library media position in elementary to a library media position in middle school. Thanks so much to all of you who showed interest and took the time to write me. Although many of you wrote responses similar to my own initial thoughts, I was thrilled to hear about your experiences and advice. I believe I know what to do now, and in fact my heart was already leading me to give the middle school position a try. I just needed evidence and moral support to be confident enough to make the move. To those of you who have requested that I post this HIT, I have tried to organize the responses into 5 categories: Advantages for Middle, Advantages for Elementary, Disadvantages for Middle, Disadvantages for Elementary, and General Advice. I hope this helps you as much as it did me. Advantages for Middle: 1. The children are calmer and more on task. They enjoy reading and the LMS enjoys building up the fiction collection and talking books with them. 2. The LMS has more time to do clerical work such as processing, cataloging, and making web pages. 3. Advanced technology and the LMS is a real resource for kids and staff with a flexible schedule. 4. More opportunity to become involved in teacher collaboration and curriculum involvement. 5. The LMS can interact with the kids in a way that is immediately important to them and their assignments. 6. The challenges and trying to open the kids up to research is wonderful. 7. It is much easier to sell them on flexible scheduling 8. With a flexible schedule the LMS sets up programming and scheduling classes/events as he/she sees fit. LMS feels like more of a team teacher, rather than a prep. period. 9. LMS feels the job is easier because he/she doesn't have classes every single day, every single period. 10. Teachers sign up to come to media center as needed and LMS works on projects from beginning to end. In between sigh ups, there are periods with nobody when the LMS can do cataloging, ordering, etc. 11. Kids can do more research, LMS likes the reading materials better and likes working with teams on integrated units. 12. Middle school students can be fun. 13. LMS prefers teaching style that works with middle school. 14. Intellectually LMS can take middle schoolers in wonderful directions and they still have great enthusiasm. 15. LMS enjoys the literature level and research related activities. 16. LMS likes the middle school personality which has a lot of humor and allows for delving into deeper issues. 17. LMS has formed friendships with particular readers and students who need the library as an alternative to regular classroom relaationships. 18. More interesting and challenging projects. 19. Rewarding to do one-on-one instruction 20. Successes are much more rewarding. 21. LMS is able to do much more for the kids from an educational standpoint. 22. Skills are not taught in isolation. 23. More opportunity to work with teachers. 24. More auxiliary help. 25. It is fun to work with teachers and students on projects that require a little more maturity and knowledge. 26. Students are more independent, can do more in depth research, complex literature and the LMS can carry on better conversations with them. 27. LMS enjoys teaching Big6, literature, book talks, research skills, reading motivation, etc. LMS plans lessons but when teachers have special topics they want covered, he/she works with them. Library is often open for classes to come in and do research. 28. Middle school students carry on great discussions, know what they like, and share their favorites. Advantages for Elementary: 1. Elementary kids love their teachers and the LMS. 2. Elementary teachers are easier to get to know and share the LMS concerns for the students. 3. It is easier to keep up with the reading for the elementary LMS position than middle school. 4. The activities for elementary are fun and the stress is lower. 5. The kids are pleasant and the teachers are willing to help. 6. Elementary behavior is easier to handle. 7. Young children have likable personalities. 8. Elementary kids are so enthusiastic about everything. 9. The LMS feels more needed in elementary than middle. 10.The LMS loves elementary because of the students' enthusiasm. She also loves reading and telling stories, dressing in costumes, and having special promotions and reading incentives. 11. The LMS enjoys the elementary atmosphere, programs, teachers, and parent involvement. 12. Little kids are fun because of their excitement at discovering new things and the quantities of books they read. 13. LMS enjoys elementary children's literaturs. 14. LMS likes younger students being more attached to her. 15. Younger children are sweeter. 16. The little guys give more hugs. 17. Students really look up to you. The librarian is a cool person who can tell great stories. The students are easily enthused about coming to the library. 18. LMS has complete freedom in what she taught. Disadvantages for Middle: 1. It's hard to get to know the faculty in middle school because only the language arts teachers are concerned about what the students read. 2. LMS found it was like pulling teeth to get teachers to use the LMC resources because they had little time to plan library lessons. 3. The LMS got fed up with the attitude of the age group and the practice of teachers sending kids to the library to work knowing full well they weren't going to work, but just wanted the problems out of their hair. 4. LMS misses reading fun books like Junie B. Jones to the students. 5. Students don't check many books out and aren't enthusiastic about the library. 6. LMS misses the hugs and laughter of the little ones. 7. LMS misses getting to read and share new picture books. 8. LMS misses the fun of holiday activities at elementary level. 9. A LMS who feels it is important for the students to like him/her should not do middle school because in groups even the nicest kids will show their least attractive characteristics. 10. Discipline can be more of an issue than in elementary. 11. Students are not very responsible and they tend to lose a lot of books. They can be sarcastic and can be catty. Some students have not been raised to respect rules and this gets worse as they get older. It is harder to motivate older students to read. Disadvantages of Elementary: 1. The kids seem like such babies. They don't know anything. 2. Inflexible schedule and no aide. 3. Stuck in the same schedule day after day with no breaks. 4. Teaching classes takes up all of the LMS time and there is no time for other work. 5. Too much work. 6. The LMS couldn't take the work load in an elementary school anymore. 7. The students are more demanding. 8. Because of a fixed schedule there is little or no time to collaborate with the teachers. 9. LMS was bored in elementary. The kids didn't get her humor and she was tired of reading the little stories. 10. The staff in the elementary school wasn't as close as the staff in the middle school. 11. Some students still have accidents and the librarian is also the mom for the kids this age. 12. The week is so full of teaching library skills, research skills, authors, book talks, reading stories and shelving books that there is little time for ordering, processing, mending, inventory, and other administration duties. General Advice: 1. A lot depends on the school climates and the librarian you are following. 2. "My advice is to follow your heart....If you LOVE middle school then I bet you would be a FANTASTIC resource for the teachers and students...not to mention your enthusiasm for the books for kids at that level. Look around and think about where you could build the strongest program, most exciting and rewarding program. Of course I realize that the "situation" has a lot to do with decisions made." 3. What really matters is the support around you and the administration. 4. consider what you love most about the job you do now. Can you have that if you move? 5. "It takes special people to work with middle school kids... and if you were in the MS before and liked it it would be a real shame not to have you go back and work with these kids." 6. Choose the job not because of the level but because of job stability. 7. "Both groups are great to work with...but if you have the ability to work with MS students (which many teachers/librarians don't have) you might consider that change." 8. "You have to go with your own feelings." 9. "I seriously believe if you love middle school students then that is where you should be. There is no best level in any school. The best level depends on the teacher, the librarian, the aide or whoever. Each person is better for whatever level is theirs. No one can tell you that but you. So, if you love them, go for it!" 10. "The most important criteria, though, for working in a middle school, is to LOVE middle school kids." 11. The biggest difference is the administration. 12. "IF you love working with kids and you love books and you love being a librarian, you will be happy no matter what age you are working with." 13. The administration must be supportive. Compare budgets and principals. Compare teacher support. 14. What about the technology in each building? The atmosphere is also important. 15. "I think in the end, you should think about what age of kids you really love to be with and probably that's where you should go in spite of the good/bad about how it's organized." 16. "It really comes down to your personal preference and the quality of the schools you are comparing." 17. "It makes all the difference in the world when you have a staff and principal who share your goals. Whatever level you choose, flexibility, the ability to share your love of literature and learning, and a sense of humor are helpful to your sanity and enjoyment of the job." 18. "So much depends not on the level but how each individual school works. The bottom line is what do you like to do and which school gives you the most opportunity." 19. "If you loved middle school as a teacher, then you'll love it as a librarian. The age group presents the biggest challenge, and if you can deal with them and enjoy the kids at this age, you'll do ok in the library." 20. "It comes down to what you like to do most. Do you prefer the research and teaching of middle school or the story programs in elementary? 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