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Thank you so much for all your responses - I knew exactly who would be the best people to ask. So many of you went to so much time to really give me a feel for the series that I feel almost an expert. :>} And I learned cartloads - like Lemony Snicket is the author, not the character :>} Anyway, below is a cut n paste of the responses which were mixed - easier to summarise as many said similar things - and I will be reading the first in the series asap to see if they will be appropriate for my kids. (Series with recurring characters are v-e-r-y big with my kids right now - have a theory that the characters are the only stable things in some kids' lives.) I'm sorry that the hit is so plain in presentation but the content gives much food for thought. In the meantime, I've come across a couple of books that kids who like adventures might enjoy but will tell you about those in another post. Thanks again, Cheers Barbara The Series There are 4 Lemony Snicket books in a series entitled A Series of Unfortunate Events. The 4 book titles are: The Bad Beginning The Reptile Room The Wide Window and The Miserable Mill The Plot The main characters are > the three Baudelaire children who have been orphaned by a "terrible house > fire" (as if there were any other kind...). They stand to inherit a fortune > but are constantly being threatened by the villain who disdains them and > wants those big bucks. It is the story of 3 orphaned siblings who have inherited a fortune that their wicked relative, Count Olaf, tries to steal deviously in each book while also trying to get rid of the 3 children. Snicket does a wonderful job of telling the story with humor and suspense. He also does something unique in that he teaches vocabulary throughout the stories by using unusual words (for elementary aged students anyway) that he defines with examples as well as in the context of the story. Different from Harry, in that the kids 3 siblings orphaned in a most tragic way, use their wits to avoid the horrible acts of the relative that they have been sent to live with it's about 3 children who get in an awful mess--their parents die and they are adopted by a horrible uncle who constantly schemes to get their fortune. Even though they are all 3 bright and interesting children, by the end of the book they are not able to save themselves and the book ends on a very bad note & leaves the reader feeling way off balance. The main characters are very inventive and self-reliant which they have to be since their entire life is a series of misfortunes. They read like a melodrama, but they are funny. In a way they remind me of Roald Dahl--some very evil adults. There are 5: Bad Beginning, Reptile Room, Wide Window Miserable Mill and Austere Academy. The series is called "A series of Unfortunate Events". They follow the travails of three newly-orphaned children. In fact, they become orphans in the first chapter of the first book, because good things just do not happen to these children. Thus, the title. They are shipped off to live with a distant relative until the oldest one reaches her majority; this relative is the evil Count Olaf who tries to steal their fortune by trying to marry the oldest girl. They are narrowly saved by their own devices and Count Olaf escapes to threaten them anew in each book. The Author I have presumed from the beginning that the author was really a 'pen name'...if you look at http://www.lemonysnicket.com/index.html (you get the same page off of Harper Collin's site) you will find that this is basically verified by the tone of the site...now just WHO is Lemony Snicket!??? His real name is Daniel Handler - my curiosity was piqued and I did a quick search and found the following: http://www.pamelawallin.com/chapters_cv_archives/cv_column_13.html Suitability I LOVE those books! I used to work in a 5-6 building and talked about them all the time!! Now, I'm at a K-1 building. I miss talking to the kids about those books!! The Reptile Room has d--n in it, but other than that I don't recall any strong language. I think they are clever books and Reptile Room is especially amusing at times. If you don't go into them expecting Harry Potter I don't think you will be disappointed. They are, again, clever, not brilliant, in my opinion I would love to read them out loud to 5th or 6th graders. I especially think that gifted readers will especially appreciate the humor. They are just so funny. Because of the sophistication of the humor, I would recommend it for 5th and above Many of the members of the rec.arts.books.childrens newsgroup praise him highly. If you go to deja.com & look for newsgroup archives, you can find their comments about his work. I believe Lemony Snicket is a pseudonym; he also writes under his given name -- that's also in the newsgroup archives. I think the books are more than dismal as in their basic plot. I can't imagine that elementary school age children would find them anything other than wildly depressing. They aim toward Roald Dahl style humor but miss the mark by a considerable distance. In fact, distance yourself from them if possible. The Georgia Book Awards committee is reading one of the Lemony Snicket books for consideration. I tried reading it and was so depressed after about 3 chapters that I couldn't finish it. Nothing good happened to the children in the part I read. Maybe I didn't read far enough. Harry Potter grabbed me in the first chapter. I have been reading the first of the Lemony Snicket books to my fifth graders as a read-aloud. I thought that it might be too advanced for some of my less advanced students, but to my surprise, they all love it. So far, there are six books in the series with seven more planned. I have read all 4 and they are very entertaining. I recommend them highly I found the books wonderfully refreshing not because they are happy and positive, but because they are very different from a lot of the literature children are reading. In fact, the have a very sad side. I didn't read the whole book but I was impressed with the part I did read. I have to admit they are pretty weird but they are fun. You have to count on the readers having a good sense of humor. If you read the back of the book it says something like - if you like books that are happy with happy endings this book is not for you. No kidding. Everything bad that can happen does happen. Even when you think something good is going to happen it turns sour. And of course the author's name is a pen name. I think they are fine for 4th and 5th graders and even older. A good sense of humor is a must! Children will love these and they will give their parents the willies, because there is very little pretty in these books. The kids are very unlikely to run into an adult with any sense and have to save themselves. If anyone is nice to the children, they usually get killed by Count Olaf. There is a little bit of child abuse and a whole lot of nastiness by Count Olaf. BUT the author is so good that they are a fun set of books to read. If he uses a word or a phrase which is probably new to the reader, he includes a deftly worded definition or explanation. He warns you from the first page that you shouldn't read this if you like books with happy endings. These are some fun books. I am in a junior high, have all 5, and have some on reserve due to popularity. He uses some pretty big vocabulary words for middle grades, but always explains what he means, which is a great way to build vocab. Popularity Both were popular sellers and purchased for the school library. I've read the first book by Lemony Snicket. I gave it to my daughter to read and she hated it I liked them very much because they > are tongue-in-cheek horror. I have just begun loaning them out to students > and am anxious to see their reactions. Bad Beginning was on Scholastic's > book fair videotape and my 5th and 6th grade students were delightedly > gushing "Ewww...gross...!!!" at the villain's ankle tattoo of an eye. For > some reason, that really caught their attention. I have all five books by Lemony Snicket in my K-6 school and they are hardly ever in. One of my teachers has fallen in love with them and is eagerly awaiting the 6th one that will be out in the spring. I have read The Bad Beginnings by Lemony Snicket (first in a series) and loved it. It is not Harry Potter but it is good. I booktalked it to sixth graders and they were excited. It is easy reading for those who feel left out of the HP craze. Supposedly, there will be 13 books--how fitting--written by Lemony Snicket which I feel is a pseudonym. I can't keep the first 5 on the shelf and the hold list is at least five deep. In fact, the kids are screaming for #6. I recommend beginning with the Bad Beginning (#1) so that readers will be able to put the characters in their proper perspective. The books here are a hit. I read the first tale to 4th graders last year and I can't keep them in the library Lemony Snicket books are fine for 4th & 5th graders. The first book of the series is on our Battle of the Book list this year. I just purchased the series and they don't stay on the shelves. The series is An Unfortunate Series of Events. The NY Times Book Review had a recent, favorable review. I want to read them, but they're always on reserve Other Comments I introduced these books to a children's literature discussion group (mostly librarians) and one librarian (and her 10-year-old son) especially loved them. They already are planning a trip in March to go to Kansas City to meet Mr. Snicket (a 8-hour drive). However, someone else heard that Mr. Snicket never shows up and an editor kindly steps in. (We're pretty sure that Mr. Snicket doesn't really exist!) Scholastic has a great LS web page. I copied several things from it to generate more interest and the kids are going crazy over all of the books. My reserve list is a mile long. The villain in all the stories is the evil Count Olaf who is trying to get the fortunes of the three Baudelaire orphans. He has an eye tattooed on his left ankle. Just to be silly, on one handout I jotted a little memo that "reading too many LS books could be dangerous - just ask Mrs. Markey!". A Band-Aid company happened to recently begin making clear Band-Aids with silly tattoo designs. I wore the eye tattoo Band-Aid on my arm - the students went nuts! Not a good idea if you like quiet library periods. Let me know if you buy the books and would like to have some fun with the kids. I'll send you some Band-Aids. I finished the first of the _A Series of Unfortunate Events_ books last night and got about halfway through the second. The next Harry Potter? No way! I found their humor to be rather odd, although amusing at times, but I suspect most of the funniest bits will be over the kids' heads ("He taught them...to never, under any circumstances, let the Virginian Wolfsnake near a typewriter.) I read a portion of the first book and they are cleverly written. It's hard to describe...the author speaks directly to the reader as an author rather than a character, and he makes comments on the characters themselves. The premise sounds dismal...3 orphaned children who live a miserable life but the books are well written and will appeal to readers from 3rd or 4th grade upwards. I have a 7th grade student reading them. His books are a lot shorter that the Harry Potter books. The best part of the book, I think, is that it builds a child's vocabulary in a most interesting way. The author uses "asides." The book reminds me of Roald Dahl or maybe Jon Scieszka, with dark humor and ironic asides to the reader. It does not have the depth of plot or character or the magic that Rowling's books have. I did like the way the book looks, the illustrations etc. I was under the impression that this was to be the first in a series of books, and maybe things turn out all right in the second book, which would be an interesting publishing ploy....you have to read the next book to get satisfaction. Hmmm. Would like to hear what others say. I personally am suspending judgement until I've read at least another one by Snicket. I loved the first two; tolerated the 2nd two, because they were getting formulaic; and loved the fifth because he had enough difference to make it interesting again. The adults are still stupid, cruel and useless, but my son has a healthy sense of real and imaginary, so I'm not worried about his being scarred for life by them. I love them and have a group of teachers at my school reading them also. The 7,8,9th graders are just starting to pick them up. I say, give it a shot. They are awfully fun Barbara Braxton Teacher Librarian Palmerston District Primary School PALMERSTON ACT 2913 AUSTRALIA T. 02 6205 6162 F. 02 6205 7242 E. barbara@dynamite.com.au W. http://www.palmdps.act.edu.au "Together, we learn from each other." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. 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