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Thank you for all the people who responded to my query! I had a multitude of answers! The overwhelming majority of answers said to try to keep the Child Care program OUT of the library...there are numerous reasons for this, as you will find below! Kimberly Rose Library Media Specialist Star Lake Elementary Kent, WA Federal Way S.D. krose@fwsd.wednet.edu -----------Original Message-------------------- We have had a proposal at my school to offer Child Care for students at our school in the morning (before school) and after school as well. The first choice was the gym, but that is generally busy after school most of the year. The next suggestion was to use the library for this...Have any of you had this in the library?? and what were the results? My initial reaction was NO WAY! But I'm fairly new at this, so I'm not really sure how I should respond to this suggestion. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!! TIA, Kimberly Rose Library Media Specialist Star Lake Elementary Kent, WA Federal Way S.D. krose@fwsd.wednet.edu ----------RESPONSES BY GENEROUS LM_NET MEMBERS!!------------------------ Hi, We currently have before care in the library and I HATE IT! The person in "charge" no matter how many times I've asked does care about the state the room is in when she and the kids leave it. Everything gets rearranged, taken, and dirty, etc... SInce it is not her room it doesn't seem to phase her what the children do as long as they are quiet.... I didn't want it in there, but it is one of the only rooms big enough.... I'd say--no way! What would they do there? Do you have toys? Are you set up for active play? Kids need active play after being cooped up in school all day. ************************************* AVOID IT! if you can GET A FULL-TIME aid out of it if you can't Go with BEFORE school if you have a choice. Grit your teeth and look for future options if you are stuck with after-school babysitting. I tried evening hours for my k-12 school...same few kids came every week just to play computer games. I changed to 30 minutes before school...kids came to do imcomplete homework, research, until last 10 minutes when buses dumped most of kids and lots of visiting. An aid will allow for you to still be librarian, helping research etc. Even if you can only get a parent (or more) to volunteer help. Good luck! ************************************* The school my children attend offers before and/or after school "extended day" programs for children. The "before school" students meet in the cafeteria, many of these students eat the hot breakfast offered. The larger "after school" students are divided into three groups - K-1st, 2nd-3rd, and 4th-5th. They meet in three different classrooms where students eat an afternoon snack (if they brought one) and begin their homework. After about thirty minutes (and all car riders have departed) they go out on the playground for kickball, jump rope, etc. They are outside for about 45 min. They head back inside where they can finish homework, play a board game, draw, color, etc. Parents who use the extended day program do pay - it is not a free service. And the teachers and paraprofessionals who work with the children are also paid. The only time the students have met in the library is when another program is setting up (like Open House, PTA meetings, etc) in another room. Good luck. ************************************* Please suggest to them that they put it somewhere else! Our kids program is currently in our library before and after school. Our carpet is only two years old but it is severely stained from projects, snacks, etc. The children constantly tamper with the computers necessitating repairs. Materials are left out and found everywhere. It severely limits your time to work before and after school and to get to the shelves in the morning. We are on a fixed schedule and it limits my time for setting up for my first class. Materials from the kids program are stored in my AV room, media center, hallway, and painted projects are on the floor in our workroom. They start to set up while I'm just picking up the papers and materials used by my last class. Fortunately, my principal has seen how this interferes with our library and they are hopefully moving to the multipurpose room next year. Suggest the art room or gym. ************************************* When I came to my school, after school care was already in the library. I was not responsible for supervising...there were teachers for that...but it was still a nightmare. First off, we had more kids than there was room in the library, so they were spread out all over the floor with all their gear. You couldn't walk without stepping on someone. They were supposed to do homework, but that never happened, and who can blame them for wanting some down time after school? But, they couldn't do anything until the homework was done. They came in at the end of the day, but I still had an hour to work. The noise level was so loud that I could not talk to vendors on the phone. Any administrative work I needed to do was interrupted by kids who wanted to check books out or needed help with research. I would leave before they left for outside recess. The next day, the library was a disaster. Food all over the place, although there was rule against food. Books that they decided to read left on the floor, or shelved wherever...a big problem when I was looking for a specific book for projects. Nothing was ever taken, but I had to clean up and straighten up before the first class of the day, even though they were supposed to do that themselves. If you have any say, I would advise you to suggest they look elsewhere, unless you can be assured that the library will be left neat and clean. One of the happiest days of my life was when they moved the program out into an empty classroom by grade and age. ************************************* Fight it! Oh, I hate when our after school program brings 40 kids in there. I loose my planning time, the teachers can't come in to research, and they basically trash it and it is so loud! I only had to do it on Tues. I begged my principal to cancel the people who borrow our gym and they use that instead. The other days they use the cafeteria. ************************************* We have had after school homework room for grades 1-6 in our 1-12 library. (Yes, it's all together, although the collections are separated in different rooms within the library.) It has not worked that well in my opinion. The initial feeling was that the students would have the library materials to use in doing their homework. Guess what...they didn't need them, other than an occasional dictionary. At one time we had high school students who came in and studied or did research in the afternoon. The troop of "EDA" (extended day activities) kids would come through making all sorts of noise and chattering and totally disrupt the quiet studying of the older kids. Now we no longer have the high school kids after school...they come in the mornings when it's quiet. (Since you're an elementary school, this probably isn't an issue...but what about your own students who come up early to study?) We asked that an adult be with the EDA homework room to supervise, but we have one young college student. Last year we were missing more books at inventory time that we have missed in the 10 years I have been in this school altogether, and 95% were from the primary library room. We had no control after we left to go home at 4PM. We have come back to find our telephone broken, rolls of stickers pulled out onto the counter in the workroom, pictures drawn on the Cutter table (!!!), and every pencil we own missing. I must admit that it's somewhat better this year because we convinced them to only bring kids who actually had homework to do. Sighhh...i could go on and on....get out of this if you can. Convince them to use a classroom somewhere. If they were actually there to work and had homework that required some research, a case could be made for having them in the library. But plain old Child Care??? If it happens...bless you :-). sorry...this is one of my soapbox issues :-) ************************************* Stick to No Way! You and your library tech(if you have one) need time without children before and after school to get work done. If children are there, you will find it difficult to say "no" to them when they ask for help in using some of the library's resources. You may well just walk out "on time" at the end of the day, rather than stay late to do what needs to be done. You deserve "quiet time" in your classroom at the end of the day. Good luck! ************************************* In my school district there are several libraries that have Child Care in the library. Fortunately, I do not have to have it in mine, so I can't speak first hand. However, the librarians here that have it generally HATE it. Child care will allow food-that usually ends up all over; they do crafts--you can imagine the mess; and they will take books off the shelves and put them anywhere. Also, if a librarian wants to work in the library in the morning or after school, there is child care. If you have an option, I guess I'd suggest NO WAY. ************************************* I could go on forever.....here's the short version We had childcare in the library with rotations to the gym and cafeteria. It lasted for two long years in the library before anyone would listen to me. For example we had the rocking chair on TOP of the shelves, 40 some books laying on the floor, books crammed everywhere, our desk gone through, all of our toys for our students played with, broken, etc. as the last straw. My advice is to make sure that you set ground rules ahead of time and discuss what would happen if there is a mess. We did, it didn't work! I was coming back evenings to clean up before the next day so my assistant and I wouldn't feel bad every morning. At the middle school the library was even worse! It's like having some one live in your house that you don't know! My wonderful kids in the day pushed past the limits after school and did stuff they never would while I was there! You need to have childcare employees that buy into the school rules. Another problem we have is that students have school rules during the day and another set after school. I have heard of lots of afterschool programs that hire instructional assistants or teachers because they already support the school and school programs! Our program would have substitutes for the afterschool workers that I "got" to set parameters with. There were subs for the subs. They didn't have a clue! Very disheartening to continually clean up.... Contrast that with an after school group that two other teachers and I run one day a week in the library: We know what the school standard is and hold to it. We have already bought into our school system. We hold kids responsible and have a lot of fun! You have to change your standard some and compromise. However it can be done! But beware! Not all people in charge of kids understand kids or see things that they do. Some are oblivious and think things are fine! 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