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thank you to all who responded..KE Do you have a coin op copier for student use in your >HS library? YES >Lease or Own? OWN >Who paid for lease or purchase? LIBRARY BUDGET & SITE BUDGET >Rational for coin op copier.... tEACHER USE FOR SINGLE COPIES - FREE STUDENTS DIME A PAGE OUR MACHINE HAS A COIN OP WITH A CODE BOX FOR TEACHERS TO >There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to >"put jar out and hope for best") >Other questions include: why is it needed in HS >library? CUT DOWN ON STUDENTS RIPPING PAGES OUT OF BOOKS AND BOOK THEFT >Why not get more free copiers for teachers in school? oUR SCHOOL HAS ACCESS TO A DISTRICT WIDE COPIER FOR CLASSROOM SETS We have a coin operated machine. >Lease or Own? We own it. >Who paid for lease or purchase? It was a gift from the student government but we pay the maintenance and supply bills. >Rational for coin op copier.... The $.10 fee discourages unnecessary printing and saves on toner and paper. >There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to >"put jar out and hope for best") Students understood the minimal fee option when it was purchased and agreed to purchase it anyway. Our previous machine was constantly broken but this one has held up quite well over 6 years. >Other questions include: why is it needed in HS >library? This is the only machine students have access to. Often I prefer that they copy some images rather than print out numerous large pictures from the computer. They also copy notes, vertical file articles, pages from print resources they want to copy, etc. >Why not get more free copiers for teachers in school? This is not for teacher use but for students. I am the only staff member who uses the machine. Teachers have their own department copiers. >I am in a brand new "technology " school..and thought >this would be a BASIC, not a frill in the >library...suggestions/ammunition/ideas welcome!! I would not want a free copier for students as it would encourage indiscriminate copying and would cost too much in toner, paper, the maintenance agreement which is based upon the number of copies, and the general upkeep of the machine. The minimal cost forces students to print only things they really need or want. It is a self-serve machine and works quite well for us. This is a high school that serves over 800 students and about 100 teachers and staff members. We have a copier in the main office and two in the "copy room". They are for the use of the teachers and staff only. The library has a coin operated copier for student use. It's been here for several years, and is used more each year. Each copy costs a dime. I started talking about getting a copier for the library 16 years ago, so the principal allowed me to charge a dime for each copy. My staff or library student helpers went to the office to make the copies. I "saved" the dimes towards a copier--a very slow process. Before I'd saved enough, the principal entered into some kind of agreement with a copier company. We do not own the machine, but we supply the paper. They supply the toner, but I replace it. Someone comes on a periodic basis to empty the money. I'm not sure if the school gets a portion of the proceeds or not--the library doesn't. It is a very basic black and white machine although it will enlarge and make change for quarters. There is still some resistance to the machine's use. The number of teachers saying, "I'll just take this over and copy it for Suzie." has decreased. And the number of kids saying, "but my parents pay taxes and this is for school" has decreased. I always tell the kids that the principal placed it in the library--go talk to him--and I shrug my shoulders as if to say that I had nothing to do with the decision. I also tell them that when they get to college, they will have to pay for copies--and probably each page will cost more! And, they can always take notes instead of making copies! They NEVER choose that option. At one point, I had to tell my staff that they HAD to stop taking stuff to the office to make copies--the prin put the copier in the library for a reason and we needed to insist on its use. They didn't agree with me, but that's another story--at least they stopped running to the office to make student copies. It definitely has decreased the amount of traffic in and out of the main office--which is why the prin got the machine in the first place. I used to provide change, but have stopped. By now, all the kids are aware that the machine costs money, the teachers remind them, etc. When a student tells me that they "need" a class set of whatever and it's not fair because it's "for school", I tell them to get their group to split the cost. It has taken a while (several years), but there are fewer and fewer objections to its use. We also have found that kids no longer use the school copiers to copy their party invitations, etc. I applaud my principal for putting it in the library. We have a copier, but not coin operated (sometimes I wish....). It is frequently used by kids to copy pages from books they are using for assignments. When we didn't have one, they (i.e. a few) would rip pages out of books! Do you have a coin op copier for student use in your HS library? yes Lease or Own? own Who paid for lease or purchase? Parents Club Rational for coin op copier....It pays for the maintenance contract, toner, etc. There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to "put jar out and hope for best") Other questions include: why is it needed in HS library? Kids need to copy all kinds of stuff - from reference books, notes from classes, etc. Why not get more free copiers for teachers in school? Kids are not allowed to use teachers' machines We charge (5 cents) because the copy is their property and one pays when one assumes ownership of something. (I think this principle is pretty comprehensively adhered to in our school, although I'm sure there's a couple of exceptions somewhere.) The lease is paid by 'the school' (not from the library budget). Since teachers use it a fair bit I would protest vehemently at any attempt to change this. (Teachers copy for free when doing their job; for personal copies they pay too.) KE Hones O'Connell HS Library 2355 Folsom, Sf, Ca 94110-2010 kayhones@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=