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Jeffrey, from what I understand, this quote is bogus (which may be the reason you're having trouble finding the source.<g>) John McChesney-Young, from the LATINTEACH listserv, forwarded the following sites/explanations to me. Hope this helps! :) Dianna Vīta sine litterīs mors est. =============================== The (bogus) quote discussed here? http://www.qis.net/~jschmitz/afu/youth.htm http://www.pinn.net/~skipperb/quotes.html See also the archives of the Stumpers-l: http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?S2=stumpers-l&L=STUMPERS-L&q=%28child ren+now+love+luxury%29&s=&f=&a=&b= in particular the latest hit: http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0208&L=STUMPERS-L&P=R6355 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Carr" <jlcarr@HOTMAIL.COM> To: <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: [LM_NET] REF: FOUND QUOTE, NEED SOURCE > Thank you to the quick fingers of an LM-Net member, I was directed to the > archives. The quote is there, but there is no bibliographic backup. Does > anyone have a corroborative source? It seems that a lot of these aphorisms > and quotes have dubious validity. I find that with quotes by Lincoln, > Einstein and Socrates, people don't source their quotes; even God gets > sourced through the Scriptures. As far as I know, Socrates nenver wrote > anything on his own, but everything was stylized and recorded by his > student, Plato. > > For those of us needing a mid-week chuckle, here is the quote: > > "Our youth love luxury. They have bad manners and contempt for their elders > and love idle chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants not the > servants of the household. They contradict their parents, chatter before > company. gobble up their food, and tyrannize their teachers." attributed to > Socrates c.450 BCE > > Thank you, > > > Jeffrey L. Carr > Teacher-Librarian > Oak Ridge High School Joint-Use Library > "Serving the community of El Dorado Hills" > El Dorado Hills, CA 95762 > voice: (916) 933-6982 > fax: (916) 933-6987 > email: jlcarr@hotmail.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= > All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. > To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: > listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: > 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST > 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. > For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ > Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml > See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: > http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=