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Thanks to all of you fine colleagues who took the time to respond with your perspectives and suggestions. I really appreciate this group, your wisdom, and generosity. Here's the responses: Robert Newton Peck is good as is Naylor or Danziger. Have you considered looking at award books (Newbery, King, etc.)? One thing you might try is doing a search on AR Book Guide (I assume you have that.) for books that are 6.0 and up with a lower grade interest level. I'm in a middle school, and I do that for upper level books with a middle grade interest level since most of my students don't want to read Moby Dick even if they're able. You might also take a look at the middle grade interest level books, some will be appropriate for her and others not. You may have to order books and quizes for some of these books, as the selection is small and you probably don't have enough of them. You will always have students who need them, though, so it will be worth the time and expense. Since you have K-8 in your school, is there some way you can mark your books with interest levels (UG, MG, LG) so that students, teachers, parents, and you will all be able to tell at a glance if a book is appropriate? ******* That's a problem that I have also. I have explained to my parents when they complain about the AR books that are on 5th or 6th grade reading levels, that most authors writing today are creating books with the idea that they might be addressing the "content needs"of high-interest, low-vocabulary students in high schools. This would result in content areas being unsuitable for the reading levels of a 6th grader reading at a 9th grade level. This doesn't solve the problem but it explains why the AR program (or those like it) may not truly reflect the needs of all students. Although we have AR in our school, we have recently eliminated students reading only within a certain level (and there are no prizes for reading.) In addition, I have tried to create a list of "gifted / talented readers" books so students and parents have a choice for "harder" books without encountering books that are inappropriate for their age. For the teachers who feel that the AR program is necessary for their classes, they can still assign books for class projects which will result in a grade upon the completion of the AR test. Although this is a low-level comprehension test, I believe that many teachers still use the program as a crutch rather than utilizing creative skills in teaching literature. My goal is to re-teach students and teachers how to choose materials based on their own "bibliotherapy needs", personal or career goals, or research interests, rather than deciding on books based upon the number of points available or the reading levels. I also point out to my teachers that this process is important for students to learn because throughout life we all read a variety of materials that don't match our "appropriate" reading levels. As far as book lists for your gifted child, I have tried to use some of the Prufrock materials and follow some links for gifted and talented students that give me ideas for books. Among those are: GT-World http://www.gtworld.org/gtbook2.htm#teens Books for Kids http://www.familyeducation.com/whatworks/item/more/0,2555,1-9220-AZ-MiddleFE N4FENSchool-Fiction,00.html Hoagie's Gifted and Talented http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/reading_lists.htm If you do a Google search for gifted and talented children, you will find a variety of information (some of which contains booklists). You need to explain to the mother that reading level and appropriateness are not the same thing. Some Stephen King books are AR! (Not all that much higher than sixth grade level, either.) Her child has a higher reading level than usual for her age, and with that comes a greater responsibility for the mother (sorry, mom!). It's not a matter of being able to trust AR or not trust AR. AR evaluates reading level, not appropriateness. Appropriateness for what? A book at level six might be appropriate for anyone or might be appropriate for sixth graders or might be appropriate for high schoolers reading at a sixth grade level. She's wanting to use AR for something it doesn't--can't--do. This kind of evaluation for the child is not something that you can do, either. For example, some parents encourage their kids to read S. E. Hinton because of the real-life problems there. Some prefer that their kids not read about that kind of thing because they think it encourages alcohol use, etc. Some allow fantasy, some call it witchcraft. You get the idea. There are plenty of good books out there for this intelligent child. Her mother might find that monitoring her daughter's reading can be a pleasure. I personally enjoy a lot of YA books. Many of them are better written than some of the junk that passes for adult books. My mother had the same problem with me as a child. I don't remember any problems. If she has any words of wisdom here, I'll pass them on. Cindy Denning, MLS Once and future librarian Collinsville, TX cynden744@aol.com Look to the fantasy genre, particularly TA Barron. Nesbit also, the "It" books and Natalie Babbitt. Good luck! How about the Oz series by Frank Baum. I believe that at least the first two, The Wizard of Oz and Return to Oz are AR books at 6 to 8 reading level; I'm at home and just guessing at these numbers but I do remember being surpised to see how high the reading level was. There are 14 Oz books written by Baum. Susan Fitzgerald Librarian West Jr High DeSoto, Texas What I tell my teachers and parents is that, even if she can read at that level, doesn't mean she should. There are plenty of books on 4th and 5th that she could read. Has she read the Peg Kehret books? Has she read the Betty Ren Wright mysteries? Has she read the Chronicles of Narnia? Korman, Paulsen, Rowling, Avi. These are, for the most part, good decent literature for elementary kids. I have a child who tested 12th grade reading, while she was a 3rd grader. I didn't go out and buy adult books for her. She is perfectly happy at the 4th-6th level. For what its worth. Sue How about using Titlewave.com set to a 3-6 grade interest level and 6.0-8.9 grade readng level? But be careful to add genre and review limiters (without them I got a list of 2500 titles). Limiting with Fiction and Publisher's hardcovers and Sewn Bindings cut it to 411. Using only Sewn bindings lowered it to 49. But the most obvious books are the "classics" from the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Dorothy Tissair For students at a higher reading level, I always suggest Bristish authors. Their use of language is so wonderful and much more complex than most other authors...(my personal opinion, here!). I would suggest Diane Wynne Jones, Pullman, Peter Dickinson...but, the new one by Chabon, Summerland is quite hefty and fun! ********* Not sure if it is an AR book but a book I like that I read in 6th (but could have read earlier) is Queenie Peevey (I forget the author at the moment) One possibility is to go use mysteries from the golden age, especially British one. Agatha Christie, Dorothy Sayers, Ngaio Marsh--good writing, good stories, no graphic violence or sex. Also, books written for children before television took over seem to be more densley written. Little Women, Old Fashioned Girl by Alcott, The Secret Garden by Burnett. Rosemary Sutcliff wrote historicla fiction that is still well thought of today. All of the protagonists are boys, but I liked them. Classic science fiction could be another option. Off hand I don't - however, I do tell the younger students that I do have upper level books for my upper level students which would not be in my library if the school were split - elementary-middle school. Sometimes a student will check out a book beyound her years in content - I will warn her - and usually the next morning it is brought back in with - I didn't like it. Of course, she didn't - the content was way beyond her. You might try Sharom Creech such as The Wanderer, Bloomability, etc. Mature but content not questionable. Adventure - Sunwing and Silverwing; books by Will Hobbs. I think appropriateness will be the most difficult - my daughter read Watership Down in 5th or 6th grade but I think it may be too much for a 9 year old although we do have some reading Lord of the Rings here (I don't own the series but parents are buying it.) I'd like to suggest you separate the young adult materials from the elem. level books, either by placing YA stickers on the spines, or shelving them in a separate area, or both. I, too, am in a K-8 school and have the same problem, with many advanced level readers that aren't ready for the subject matter of these books. Now I'm trying to decide whether to shelve these books with the rest of the 6th grade level AR books, or with the YA books. Science fiction/fantasy are NORMALLY a "safe" place to steer these readers: The enchanted forest series by Patricia Wrede (Calling on Dragons etc.) are great!!! Lloyd Alexander has a good series. Narnia bks by C. S. Lewis are popular. Indian in the Cupboard bk.s by Lynne Reid Banks. Castle in the Attic and the sequel, by Elizateth Winthrop. a Series of Unfortunate Events books are EXTREMELY popular. Redwall series by Brain Jacques. I got those in elem. and they are VERY popular--as they are in middle school bk.s by J.R.R. Tolkien are VERY popular now, due to the movies Dragon bk.s by Anne McCaffrey are GOOD!! Golden Compass bk.s by Philip Pullman Dragon's Bait by Vivian Belde series about Merlin's lost years. by T.A.Barron (I'm reading Lost Years of Merlin right now; the series is VERY Popular in middle school, so far, it would be fine for elem.) Anastasia books by Lois Lowry are popular. Great Brain books by John Fitzgerald Cat Who..... by Lillian Jackson Braun these are ADULT mysteries, -- the main character occasionaly goes into another room (away from the 2 Siamese) with a female character; but nothing is really described. I have them in middle school and wish AR would make tests for the rest of her books. I love them and have them in middle school some Nancy Drew are higher level reading levels Anne of Green Gables series by L.M. Montgomery Peg Kehret's books are good and "safe", some are higher reading levels don't forget "classics" like: Secret Garden by Frances Burnett, 20,000 leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne, Agatha Christie's mysteries, White Fang, & others by London, Jack Rascal by Sterling North (non-fiction, so I have to work to remember to recommend that one) Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson Louisa May Alcott's books others--especially if you do NOT have the New ATOS Reading Levels 1. "The Classics" : Black Beauty, Swiss Family Robinson, Winnie the Pooh, Heidi... 2. The Series: American Girls, Time Warp Trio, Betsy-Tacy, L'Engle's Wrinkle in Time & sequels, Narnia 3. Nonfiction of interest You might want to check out my web site http://www.sdhc.k12.fl.us/mediaweb/elem/read/ar/Ar.htm Some media specialists in my county made a list of high level books that would be appropriate for elementary students. The levels are based on the ATOS leveling system. I love most of the books by Gary Paulsen and think he is quite appropriate and wonderful. Also, several of the books by Phyllis Reynolds Naylor would be appropriate especially ones like Beetles, Lightly Toasted. If the child likes love stories that are of a Christian nature, the Janet Oke series are good. Also, Joan Lowry Nixon has a series called the Orphan Train Adventures that begins with A Family Apart, A Place to Belong, Caught in the Act, In The Face of Danger, and has two or so other titles that I can't remember right now. Cormier is tough to comprehend for even sixth graders as his theme of evil needs some discussion. Tenderness is also about a stalker which also can be frightening. Robert Newton Peck is good as is Naylor or Danziger. Have you considered looking at award books (Newbery, King, etc.)? 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