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Here are the responses I received regarding justifcation for continuing = technical support for our library automation system. I can't believe I = forgot about the free updates :-)! Many thanks to those who responded. I use Follett, but one of the things you get with their tech support = agreement is free software updates. ***** If you drop tech support and decide you need it at some later date, = automation companies usually charge you for the lapsed time before they = will pick up at the current date. Check with Sagebrush about this. The investment already made in time and money needs the insurance = provided by tech support. ***** Doesn't the Tech Support cost include software updates and new version = issues as well as problem resolution? Ask Sagebrush how much it would = cost to purchase an updated version without maintaining Tech Support. ***** If you do not purchase support for Winnebago, do you have experts in = databases to bail you out when the system goes down? I would guess you = don't. (I would quake in my boots without tech support for my catalog = program.) I have called at least 15 times this year, nothing major but = last year it was major! I'm not much help, but just want to encourage = you to get that tech support. ***** Your reasons are certainly valid! The only other thing is the cost of = redoing all of the data! And of course the business office, = transportation dept, payroll dept etc certainly must have tech support = costs--that is the cost of doing business today! ***** Actually, you can pay-as-you-go for tech support. Two years ago I was = charged $50 a phone call to Sagebrush for technical questions. After = submitting P.O.s to pay for it, the administration decided it was better = to spend the $350 for the year long support. Without tech support you don't receive any system updates, either. (NOTE: Actually, Sagebrush no longer offers pay-per-call technical = support--I called and asked) ***** With Spectrum support you get all upgrades at no cost. I'm not sure = what it would cost otherwise--but Sagebrush can give you that info.=20 (FYI, Spectrum 5.2 is $4995.00) ***** Do you get free upgrades when you pay your tech support? We do with our = program (Softlink Alice) and we used this as another reason to justify = paying the annual support. ***** When you pay for Winnebago's support that entitles you to free upgrades = which not only upgrade the program but fixes problems with the older = edition. ***** Sagebrush tech will answer questions and walk you through problems with = the system that are not covered in their manual.=20 Tech support helps you configure your system to do exactly what you want = it to. In our case we have three schools, one library, and needed a way = to sort records by school. ***** Purchasing the support system means that you get upgrades FREE so that = your system always stays current. ***** I too have Sagebrush and have the technical support. Thank goodness so = far powers to be have not indicated dropping it. Another pro: Our tech people have often called Sagebrush to help them = with problems that could not be solved easily concerning the Spectrum = system. They feel they are the experts on the software and therefore = save them much time, etc. ***** What about the automatic free updates to the program? Without the = updates, your program rapidly becomes obsolete, and it is much harder = and much more expensive to catch up after you are two or three updates = behind. Also, servicing the program gets much more difficult when you = are not on the current version. Keeping tech support means you are = always up-to-date. ***** I would include the value of the inventory your system protects. Maybe = include the amount that is checked out at any one time and could = potentially be lost if the system crashed. ***** Be sure to address how many students will be without service should your = library system go down and for how long you might be unable to provide = service to students. Also, get hourly charges for independent service support.=20 ***** We have Sagebrush (Athena) and I think another reason would be that = having the tech support is actually the only way to get the updated = versions of the system as they come out. I know this is true for us = anyway. ***** We often have this discussion here about maintaining tech support. Many = teacher-librarians say they never call and why should they pay. My = argument is that it's like have a fire department, you hope you never = need them, but they are there when you do need them. Our local tech people are not available 24 hours / day and 7 days / = week. Tech support for the Alexandria system is available 24 / 7. = Sometimes you get an answering machine, but they return your call. I = like the comfort of knowing they are just a phone call away. ***** Having tech support also entitles you to updates/enhancements of the = program. ***** From Sagebrush Corporation: Sagebrush Corporation is the sole Technical Support source for Winnebago = Spectrum. The support fee provides you with support for one full year = and entitles you to as many calls as you wish to make; without any = limit. You can access support through our Toll Free number or via our = email support account.=20 The technical support fee goes towards developing new products and = updates for existing product. As a customer with valid technical support = you automatically receive any new updates for existing products you have = as they are released. In addition, you are eligible to subscribe to services such as Sagebrush = Listservs, where you can post messages and receive help from other = librarians, and Support Documents in which you have access to = instructional documents. If you need any further documents, you may want to speak to our sales = department and they may have some documents that could also benefit you. = If you would like to contact sales, you can contact them at = sales@sagebrushcorp.com or by phone at 1-800-533-5430. If you require = any further assistance, please feel free to contact Technical Support by = phone at 1-800-661-4109 or by e-mail at support@sagebrushcorp.com = <mailto:support@sagebrushcorp.com> ***** Also from Sagebrush Corporation: In response to your questions regarding Spectrum technical support = renewal, Sagebrush Corporation is the only company who supports the = Spectrum product line and all add on components. Checking your product = listings, you currently have Spectrum Circ/Cat and Spectrum Webcatalog. = If you were to decide against renewing your support for these products, = Sagebrush could no longer offer you technical support in case a problem = arises. Technical support is an annual fee with the following benefits: 1. Unlimited call support, not pay per call 2. Product updates and upgrades without having to repurchase newer = versions of our software 3. Data Repair 4. Custom based solutions We believe there are more benefits to our support services than just = phone support. Sagebrush is committed to providing the highest quality = support and services for it's products. If you have any questions about = the above, please do not hesitate to call technical support at = 800-661-4109 or contact us by e-mail at support@sagebrushcorp.com Elizabeth Hart Library Technical Assistant California School for the Blind Fremont, CA 94536 ehart@csb-cde.ca.gov =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archive: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml LM_NET Select/EL-Announce: http://www.cuenet.com/archive/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ven.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-