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Thanks to everyone who responded! My original posting is followed by the responses I received. I am going to be participating in a meeting to discuss establishing a new dress code for the young ladies at my high school. The fashion trend for many students at this time is short and tight. I'm wondering how other high schools handle this. Specifically, how does your school determine an appropriate length for shorts and skirts? Also, how does your school handle low cut shirts worn by females? I appreciate you sharing these rules as well as if you find them to be effective. I can post a HIT if other people are interested. --- We don't have a specific number in the handbook, other than "no spaghetti straps" but we do have the policy that if a teacher finds something offensive or inappropriate it must be changed or covered immediately. Personally, I usually ask a female colleague to speak to the young lady about her clothing. So far no teacher has been bothered by my requests, and I usually get the appropriate response. As a sidelight, a couple of years ago we had a rather petite girl who was very conscious of her lack of height. That spring she wore a skirt that she had worn in the fall without any problems, and was told that it was too short. She was thrilled, because that meant that she had grown! We let her finish the day with the skirt on, with a promise that she wouldn't wear it again at school. --- Our dress code says that if you raise your arms and can see the stomach, then it's too short. For skirts and shorts, it's mid-thigh. The biggest problem with upholding female dress codes and it really needs to be addressed, is the response or lack thereof by the male principals. They tend to feel that if they take a female to task for dress code violations that they are putting themselves in line for a lawsuit. Most of the male principals that I know either ignore the code for girls or get a female staff member to say something. --- At my school, the length of their shorts must be at least 1" below the length of their fingertips when their arms are at their sides. For shirts, there has to be a 2 thumb-width strap on the tanks and absolutely no portion of any undergarments showing. --- finger tip length for shorts and skirts, three finger width for tops, stomachs covered, no underwear showing above pants --- To measure length, students have to put their arms at their side. The shorts or skirt must be longer than their fingertips. Sleeveless shirts --- Until last year we did not allow any sleeveless tops. Now we have a 3 inch rule on the width of the "tank" top. It was much easier to enforce when no sleeves were allowed. Shorts and skirts must be fingertip length. Problems arise with short-armed students and long-armed students, but it seems to work ok. Students may not show any of their midriff. And, though I don't know what the specific rule is, cleavage issues have been addressed case by case. I believe our handbook addresses dress code in a non-gender specific way as to not discriminate.or dresses must be two inches wide. Pants must cover tops of underwear. --- We are a middle school 6-8, but the problems are probably just as bad here, among some of the seventh and eighth graders, as among the high schoolers. In the dress code, lengths of shorts and skirts are made known, tank tops and ripped clothes and shirts with drug or alcohol logos or with bad language are not allowed. Also, no underwear showing. As for the tight and short, we make judgments on those. If we deem them to be inappropriate (several inches of stomach or back showing, pants several inches below hips, breasts exposed, etc. the student is sent to the nurse. If the student has a shirt or sweatshirt in the locker, she is allowed to get that. If, later in the day, the student is again called on the clothing, because she has shed the cover-up, she is again sent to the nurse. A second visit in one day warrants a visit to the principal and a call home for the parent to bring in appropriate clothing. The nurse (or another staff member if the nurse cannot do this) is an important piece of this program. Teachers in different parts of the building do not know if the student has already been written up. If we did not have the student report in, she could shed her cover-up several times during the day without anyone being the wiser. In other words, just telling a student to get a cover-up is not enough since she may shed it the minute she leaves your class. Obviously, male teachers have some real concerns about calling a girl for inappropriate clothing. (WHY was Mr. Male teacher looking at my daughter's butt/breasts!) The men here usually ask a female teacher to talk to the girl or they call down to the nurse when students are not around. In that case, the nurse will call for the girl and will let her know that her clothing is inappropriate. By the way, as a mother of a (now grown up) teenage girl, I know that students sometimes leave the house dressed appropriately, and then shed some of the clothes when they get to school. Sigh. Parents need to be told that - partly to give them an out in case they DID let the kid leave the house half-dressed. No point embarrassing the parent as long as they go with the program after the first call. It's the ones who become indignant or think that their daughter looks perfectly fine in an outfit that belongs on the beach, that are a real problem. P.S. boys are also included in the dress code, but aside from a few boys who wear ripped or dragging pants, we hardly ever call a boy on dress code violations. --- At my daughter's high school the rule for shorts, skirts, and dresses is that the article of clothing must be equal to or longer than the wearer's fingertips! Quick and easy! It also takes into account those very tall young ladies! --- _Student Safety and Appearance_ Part of the total education of the students is learning to dress appropriately and behave responsibly in a variety of situations. Students are expected to dress in a manner that is appropriate to the school environment and does not cause disruption to the academic process. Any form of dress, jewelry or hair style which is distracting or disruptive in appearance and detrimental to the purpose, safety, or educational process of the school will not be permitted. Research has shown a correlation between appearance and behavior, especially in the school setting. Questions regarding the appropriateness of clothing or appearance would be directed to the building directors. These regulations will assist parents, students, faculty and administrators in determining appropriate student standards for dress while at school or school-sponsored activities. 1. Parents and students maintain responsibility for their dress and personal appearance. 2. When any dress or grooming (including hair, make-up and jewelry) interferes with the cleanliness, health, welfare or safety of students, or when any dress or grooming disrupts the educational process by being distracting, indecent or inappropriate to the educational process or to minors, it is prohibited. 3. All students shall wear prescribed laboratory uniforms and other equipment designed to protect their health and safety. Head coverings may be considered part of the lab uniform, but are not to be worn in other areas of the building. 4. As new trends in fashion or dress are accepted or become out of date, the District reviews the changing standards of the community served. 5. The Director, with the assistance of the faculty, has the responsibility of uniformly administering the dress code. The decision of the Director is final. Violation of the dress-code can result in removal from class (until violation can be resolved) and/or disciplinary action. Students shall observe general guidelines for dress and appearance including: No shorts or miniskirts that are above fingertip length when arms are fully extended; Clothing that might reasonably be considered indiscreet, immodest, or too casual for school will not be permitted; Students must wear shirts with sleeves. All tops must cover the complete top of pants and/or skirt when standing, sitting or walking. Head coverings may be considered part of the lab uniform, but are not to be worn in other areas of the building. Sunglasses are not to be worn in the school building except for approved medical reasons. Dress that promotes hate, profanity, vulgar or negative messages; anything advertising or related to alcohol; tobacco and drugs, or anything sexually explicit, is not permitted. No transparent garments, open mesh garments or garments with large open sides may be worn without an under liner. Shoes must be worn and must not present a safety hazard. No biking pants or spandex. Lower garments are to be worn at waist level; if a belt is worn, it must be of proper length; undergarments are not to be exposed. No gang or cult-related items of any kind are permitted (e.g., colors, symbols, rolled up pants). Students are not to wear coats in the building unless special permission is given by the administration. --- In our dress code, anything that distracts from the educational environment is cause for action: shortness, tightness, low riders, cleavage, etc. In terms of length shorts, dresses, skirts have to be below the fingertips of the student without her pulling down on the garmet to add length. I don't know if there is a test for tightness but the girls who wear tight clothes usually go with short outfits and low necklines so they get caught anyway. With any visible cleavage, the top must be buttoned or zipped up if possible--otherwise the student is provided with a t-shirt to wear. Anything after the first offense warrants a phone call: to dad if it is a girl... to mom if it is a boy (biggest male problem is sagging pants). At the end of the year, teachers' complained about the constant repeat offenders so I think there will be a crack down next year. --- We exhaust ourselves with this issue. I have sent students out of the media center because of cleavage, inappropriate expressions on a tee shirt, exposed navels. I could spend half of my time doing this even though the dress code is spelled out in the handbook. We don't seem to get overt The article Why Good Schools Are Countercultural, by Patrick F. Bassett (Education Week, 2/6/2002, p. 35) explains it as "Exhibiting Vulgarity" versus "Insisting on Civility." I agree. --- If we see skin, they are sent to the front office to get a T shirt to wear for the day. They also get a demerit. --- An interesting topic. Here in Golden, BC, (500 students, gr 8 to 12, rural, conservative) there is no dress code, so we have the "clothes are too small" syndrome in spades. Our principal doesn't think it is a fight we can win -- I just don't know. Certainly my concept of modesty (I'm 54) is vastly different that the 'community standard' among 15 to 25 year olds. We do draw the line at 'bad words' on clothing. --- I don't really have specifics for a dress code, but the principal of my school asked me to talk to all the female students since I was one of the teachers suggesting to them that they cover up a little more. (I am in a public school with 140 students, about 25 to 30 of whom are females.) One of the best things I did was pull my shirt up an inch and pull my pants lower so my belly button became visible. The girls started to make faces, to which I said, "Exactly! I don't like looking at yours either!" My suggestions were the following: no belly buttons, no cleavage, no spaghetti straps, (although sleeveless is ok), no backs, and shorts and skirts should be midway down the thigh--but don't count midway from the waist. Instead, go from hip joint to knee. If you think it might offend anyone, don't wear it. --- Have a look at the Dress Codes links at http://www.shambles.net/pages/staff/dresscode/ This is in fact one section of a larger page at http://www.shambles.net/headteacher/ We will be putting this in writing next year. -- http://www.lakeshoreschools.k12.mi.us/high/media/homepg.htm acameron@remc11.k12.mi.us Alma Cameron HS Library Media Specialist Stevensville, MI 49127 (W) Phone: 616-428-1405 (F) 616-428-1570 -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. 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