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I don't think I would have apoligized to those students. That diminishes your authority. Now they think all they have to do is whine to their teacher and they will get away with something. You were clearly not in the wrong here. I would have a conference with them and explain why you spoke to them the way you did and ask them next time to quietly open the door to see if you were busy. Sorry you had such a bad day. Feels good to vent though, doesn't it? At least you know someone can relate. Marsha Redd Librarian, Kelloggsville High School Grand Rapids, MI marsharedd@hotmail.com Education is not a goal; it is a life-long process. Everyone is a student. Everyone is a teacher. ----Original Message Follows---- From: SIMON827@AOL.COM Reply-To: SIMON827@AOL.COM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [LM_NET] Venting (LONG) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:38:03 EST This has been one of the worst days and I am just about ready to hang it up...medicinal help may be needed <grin>. First, I found out that when I completed my degree over two years ago the people in charge at the board did not send in the necessary paperwork...so I am still listed with the state as a classroom teacher with a Masters. Because I went the public library route ( for many reasons but that is another story) the board was suppose to apply for a provisional certificate and then at the end of two years my certificate would be changed. You guessed it! They didn't send in the request and now I have to wait TWO MORE YEARS to get my certification! That was the ruling I got from the state department today when I got home. That was after being berated by a teacher because I "hurt her student's feelings". I was having class and my students kept seeing heads jumping up in the windows of the library doors. I told them to ignore it. My library doors are in a busy hallway and children are always doing this. But it kept happening so I stopped and went to the door and there were three students standing there laughing. They said they had come to check out books. Since that is not allowed when I have a class I told them to go back to class because they were disrupting the library and told them they knew better...and yes, I was using my teacher's "disapproving" voice. There were three teachers chatting in the hall (must be nice to have the time!) and none of them said anything to the little angels while they were jumping around, but made sure that the teacher knew I had "spoken harshly" to the children. She came after school to tell me I had hurt their feelings because the children had read the schedule wrong and thought it was open checkout time. They were jumping to see in, to see if I had a class. "They had to keep jumping because they weren't tall enough to see in the window". (Why not just open the door slightly? And if they thought the schedule said it was open time, why would they look to see if I had a classs? And why keep jumping if they couldn't see...did they think they'd be taller on the next jump? <grin>). She was just covering for the fact that she didn't look at the schedule before sending the students during someone else's class. But I told her I would apologize to the students tomorrow for hurting their feelings, but inside I really feel like they should apologize for being disruptive outside my door. Oh well, just another day in paradise! Feeling better after my vent! Jeanna Dennis LMS C.F. Hard Elementary Bessemer, AL Simon827@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------