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Thank you to all those that responded about whether or not short stories are a "genre," and if there are specific "teaching points" when students read short stories. I know it will be helpful to our 5th grade teachers! short stories do have specific teaching points: setting, characters, theme, plot, etc.--the basics of any fiction story. Teachers could also look at point of view (have students rewrite stories from another character's p.o.v.). _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I have not heard of specific general points but in my former life as an English teacher I taught Poe and he had very specific parameters. I don't know if I remember them but the action must be completed in 24 hours. I believe he placed a 45 hundred word limit and there were a couple of others I am really vague but I don't remember other writers holding to that. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ These might be useful: Teacher background reading: http://mzbworks.home.att.net/what.htm What is a short story? (Marion Zimmer Bradley) http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1983/3/83.03.09.x.html#b Elements of the short story (Kathleen Dinneen and Maryanne O'Connor) Adopt or adapt teaching strategies http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/download/britlit/britlit.shtml BritLit : Using short stories in the classroom http://english.unitecnology.ac.nz/resources/units/short_story/home.html Online English : The short story: Read to write - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'm about halfway through Richard Peck's "Past, Perfect, Present Tense: new and collected stories" in which he devoted his Introduction to the short story and how it differs from other forms of literature, such as the poem and the novel. If you can get your hands on a copy of this book, you may find it helpful. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ No; they are a format. I say that novels are to short stories as biographies are to memoirs. We don't tell the whole story in a memoir; in fact, there is often very little background information. It's a snapshot. The only thing that's important is the way the main character develops. Don't forget Avi's short story collection "What Do Fish Have To Do With Anything". It's marvelous. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - Short stories are not a genre per se. However, they do have specific teaching points that distinguish them from a longer work of fiction. While I am not certain what the BEST way is to teach the short story, I do think using selections from the collections you mention (and I would add some of Don Gallo's collections to the list) is one way to teach the material so that kids will respond positively. The elements of plot are basically what can be taught most effectively through the short story: conflict, rising action, etc. Reading a story together and doing an activity such as a flow chart of the plot followed by each student selecting her or his own story and doing a similar activity might be of value. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I would connect the concept of a "short story" to something the students already know - - picture books/easy readers, then discuss the difference between these "short stories" and "chapter books." A discussion of how both types of stories use the same elements of literature, the difference is one of degree. It takes more, time/words/action for the writer of a novel or play to develp the story than it does the writer of a short story. Students can then discuss the advantages and disadvantages of each story length (great for a comparison/contrast activity). Short stories are a "genre" in the way they are treated by textbook publishers- - separate from novels, essays, poetry, etc.; they are also a form of fiction just like the novella or the novel (or narrative poetry, for that matter). What a great discussion for your teachers! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Laurie Woodfin Neary School Southborough, MA 01772 lwoodfin@rcn.com lwoodfin@nsboro.k12.ma.us -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------