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Replies, cont.: "I haven't followed all of this discussion. Forgive me if I repeat any advice you've already heard. - The architects should not be making the decision. I think good ones still listen to their customers, not the other way around. I am startled that this was their idea. - If they've get the superintendent convinced, you need help. - I hope that help with powerful credentials has already arrived via this list. If not, you should write to some of our contributors who can tell you who to enlist, like Alice Yucht. Good luck. I seriously disagree with the last respondent, that HS fiction sections (for instance) should be small because no one there reads anyway. My daughter is an 11th grader, quite technologically "wired"... and the HS library is the first she has declined to hang out in, because the book selection is so... lifeless. If it were cozy and inviting (and had something other than the books assigned for coursework, which are NOT those Jane would choose for pleasure), she would at least still feel comfortable there. If there is hanging to be done in a library, she strolls two blocks down the street from the HS, and selects the children's room of the town's public library. That still feels comfortable. So whether or not she has time to check out the books there (not often), it is still "home". The other powerful help you can enlist is from the students and their parents, perhaps. Even if the super is convinced, disagreement from the home & school club equivalent, etc will be heard (noticed). ------------------- - I just spotted this in our state newsletter. Maybe it will help. Don't be shy about contacting David Bogardus - this is his passion. http://librarywalls.net/ ------------------- I must share this bit of info - this morning I went on a tour of a local university (BIOLA, formerly Bible Institute of Los Angeles, now in La Mirada in Southern California) library with a group of our local church librarians. The tour guides were showing us the student group meeting areas (they have 27 I think she said! - the library is new and lovely and large - to me!) but she said they were having problems - not enough small group meeting rooms! Local high school students had discovered the meeting rooms and were using them to get together to do their own H.S. projects! The staff finally had to limit the meeting rooms to BIOLA students or faculty with current campus ID. She told me that they had planned this new library over 15 years (it opened about 5 years ago) and during that time they expected that the campus population would continue at about 4,000. In just 5 years it has exceeded 5,500! On one hand, this shows that H.S. students need somewhere to gather to work on projects as well as have access to resources (maybe your Info Center architects need to consider that!) This was also true when I did an internship at a local public library - every day we had middle school and high school students working in the rooms on school group assignments. ------------------- I have been following this thread for the last week or so with great interest. I am in the process of planning a new library in a new school building. I am currently working in a middle school that consists of 18 portable buildings*we have no permanent structures. The current library is about 1200 square feet with 8000 books and seating for 32 students. I have been fortunate to work with an amazing architect that has gone to bat for the library on many occasions. The state said it should be no more than 900 square feet; the architect slipped a 3600+ library past them. He has the philosophy that the library is the heart of the school, the heart of learning and thus should be in the center of the school. I teach on the Navajo Reservation and the architect is Navajo. He planned the library so it is shaped like a Hogan (traditional dwelling of the Navajo) because the Hogan is the center of learning for the Navajo students at home and the library should replicate that at school. In another 18 months or so I will be moving my collection into a huge new space: complete with state of the art wireless internet connections, excellent online resources and databases, and a great print collection, both fiction and non-fiction. My students use the library regularly and the teachers can't wait to have space for more than one class at a time. I cannot imagine this new school with out the library. The closet public library the kids have access to is 50 miles away. I feel it is my job to provide the students and the community with the best library I can*.for many it is the only place they can go to get something to read! ----------------- Reasons to include a library in a school: 1. we do not know what the future holds, and having a library (even virtual) would help to make the different transitions. 2. The library is a space where multiple students can gather to collaborate on assignments and have access to materials that can be differentiated to the need of the of students. 3. It is easier to plan to use the space for different purposes--IF there is a space to modify. 4. Even if the resources are rapidly changing, the library is the place where students will seek to find the information--IE: ebooks, databases, online video clips. 5. Since the school is community own, what needs does having a library perform to the community? I know that mine is frequently an after hours meeting spot. 6. What is the law requiring including a library in the building of a new school? 7. What innovations are needed to change the "classic" concept of a library, but to make sure that the use and meeting of needs are still being met? 8. Question to ask: Are you sure that you want to be on the cutting edge and not include a space for a library when it has been documented that schools that have done that in the past have regretted it? Is this a case of not seeing the trees (the usage of the space) for the forest (the creative view of the architect)? I am sure that with a bit of looking, you can find many other reasons for including the space for a library. NOW, the question is: Making the creative person realize that there needs to be a practical function for the layout of the space. NOW that will take some doing. Have yet to find an architech that realizes that THERE does need to be line of sight for the whole library, AND that being able to create many learning environments within the library --QUICKLY. --------------------------- Thirty years ago schools were built without walls...because it was cost effective and supposedly the way to learn. Our building is finally adding heat/vent and air conditioning for our "school without walls"; the walls have been there for about 15 years. Ironically our media center is so large that we have 2 classrooms in the media center (which includes a computer lab with 23 computers) during the renovation. A non-shared space is looking better and better every day. Perhaps a school without walls near you (they were not a local phenomenon; they were built all across the country in the early 70s) might share their experience with your administration. Are there state regulations about libraries and librarians? Good luck in fighting this battle. -------------- My observations; By no library, do they mean that there will be no place open before school, after school, at lunch, manned by someone to help students? Will students who don't have a computer at home be able to access anywhere in school outside of school time. Where can students go to work together on a project, get tutorial help, or even pursue some independent issues. Let them know that this library can have computers, an open area for collaborative work, display space, wireless access for the school network, AND some good print resources. Get them away from thinking that a library is ONLY a print resource room. Print verses electronic. Why do people see it as either or? I have a teacher who just assigned a term paper. They must have three sources but cannot use an encyclopedia. Why is it OK to use whatever web page (encyclopedia style) they happen upon, but cannot use an encyclopedia? I did get her to adjust this requirement. Now the requirement is 3 sources, one of which is an encyclopedia, one must be a periodical (online or print) and one other resource. But they must be able to show her the resource to show it isn't another encyclopedia type article. Print verses non print shouldn't be the issue, TYPE and BREADTH of resource should be the issue. I just helped a student today access back issues of Current Biography (I have bound from 1940 - 2000)for Muhammed Ali. He is ecstatic, we have an article written in the 1960s, and one in the 1970s, primary sources, NOT on the internet. He also has internet sources. My library has changed, I have fewer book shelves than I used to. I don't replace the print encyclopedias as often as I used to. I have computers, I buy online databases, but I still buy books and magazines in print. And my library today hosted the school's first student teacher art show. ------------------- Thanks again, everybody! Lindy Hutchison, Librarian Sweeny HS Library Sweeny, TX lhutchison@mail.sweeny.isd.esc4.net "Let us put our minds together and see what life we will make for our children." --Tatanka Iotanka (Sitting Bull) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------