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Teri wrote: <Barbara makes some very interesting arguments. My question is, how far behind the axing of the library is the loss of the librarian's job? After all, if students can access everything from the classroom and the computer lab, why do we need a librarian? Mind you, I don't think any of the above is true - just think it's a logical extension of the premise that we don't need libraries in schools.> That's happening already. Many places around the country have been closing libraries and re-assigning or firing librarians when they have problems balancing the budget. Here in NJ we have many local examples. Jo ****************************************************** Josephine G. Dervan. Library Media Specialist Strathmore Elementary School Aberdeen, NJ 07747 rderva@infionline.net He who has a garden and a library, wants for nothing- Cicero ----- Original Message ----- Have a great weekend, all. Teri Barbara Paciotti <barupa@SWBELL.NET> wrote: Darn, no one raked me over the coals. Y'all are getting real polite. I thank you. Now, regarding my post, I did receive several responses directly, mostly in agreement, however, one nice lady reminded me that students need to have a place they can go to work or read or gather, and that is typically a library, so to have no such place in a school would be irresponsible. I appreciate that insight and wholeheartedly agree! It reminded me of David Warlick's comment in one of his podcasts about the library becoming an Information Production Center, where kids go to find, synthesize, and produce information in print, video, audio, and digital formats--that if they do not have the opportunity to develop as effective communicators, their "voices" will simply not be heard. Now THAT would be a powerful argument for a library to use with architects and superintendents! Some comments bemoaned the use and quality of Internet/Web resources and I completely agree with that...but it wasn't the issue. I did specifically mention the purchase of online subscription database services. There is no question about the quality of such databases and their value as supreme research sources, and since higher education and corporations of all types use them more and more, there's a real need to teach students how to find, access, and use those resources appropriately. It seems to me that providing and teaching a variety of high-quality, information-rich databases will allow students to see far more dramatically the inferiority of free Internet/Web sources than if we persist in restricting them to a certain number or type of source. Like, how often do you suppose the boss is gonna say, "Joe, we need you to compile some information for the annual report, and we want you to use an encyclopedia and a newspaper, and only one website."? Finally, my comment about not seeing print reference resources on Star Trek: many referred to incidents in the various series' where books were read and appreciated, but I did say use of "a print _reference_ resource"--for reference they _always_ used "Computer." Even in the "Court Martial" episode that appears to glorify books over computers, it is the dilution and homogenization of _information_ put on the computer that is criticized (much as we lament the poor quality of info on the Web; I am reminded of a concern expressed on this listserv about including only text for periodical databases, ignoring the power of the accompanying pictures and graphics--certainly a consideration when choosing which database to subscribe to!). And, at the end of the episode, it's the skillful use of the _computer as a reference resource_ --not one of the law books piled up in Kirk's quarters--that helps to find the real culprit. I do love books--I have hundreds--and I love to read books; I use reference books when appropriate, but I sure do love the comprehensiveness and searchability of databases for most information needs! (I wonder if Lexis-Nexis had been digitized back in the late 60's, would Spock have convinced Cogley of the ease of searching L-N to find information rather than wade through his thousands of books? :-) ) So, my friends, I think I will continue believing that it is curriculum needs, student demographics, and facility arrangement & equipment that ought to determine the library and its resources. To convince others--like architects and superintendents--we need to offer some different arguments than the tired old refrains about the difficulty of "curling up with a good computer" or "not everything is on the Internet" or even "it's faster to find some info in a good reference book than on the Internet." We need strong arguments about finding and using information in a variety of useful, high-quality resources in several formats, about the need to teach information-seeking strategies for any kind of research requirement, and about the one person in the school who can bring curriculum, technology, and communication together...a certified teacher-librarian, whether s/he has a "normal" library or not. Barbara Paciotti, SLMIS Barbara Bush MS, Irving TX barupa@swbell.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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