Barcode security is a problem with older kids too. This year the tech dept set up
individual logins for each student based on their ID number and the kids are
voluntarily sharing them with each other. It doesn't matter how many times we warn
them against this. The tech dept told us that kids would pay consequences for
misbehavior on the computers once they could tell who was logged on at the time
but, they are not following through. In fact 2 of our new optical mice were stolen
and now we can tell who was logged on when it happened but, the tech dept told us
they are too busy to go through the records. That makes the librarians look like
fools since we warned the kids and now there's no follow
through.*************************** Juliann T. Moskowitz Library Media Specialist
Norwalk High School Norwalk, CT 06851 juliann14@hotmail.com To be involved with
books is to live at the heart of light. ~Mary Cantwell, author (1930-2000)
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:44:18 -0800> From: lisa3moon@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Re:
>Hit- Destiny Patron Info... security caution.> To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> > When
>we began with Destiny in 2004 I, too,printed the bar codes by class and created a
>notebook that stayed at the circ desk. Students still used Mac computers, but
>teachers used Dells. Students did not have to log into hardly anything, and they
>only used these 7 digit student ID numbers in the library. Rarely did they
>memorize the numbers.> > Time passed and the district converted to only one
>platform... Dell. Cafeterias got new software and students began to use ID numbers
>to eat. Each student had an account. Students were required to log onto computers,
>and all software changed requiring access with student ID as well.> > Now, we
>needed to teach kids about identity security. Last year we had an instance of
>students (3) coming to the library and scanning another student's bar code from
>the notebook so they could get a book even though their limit had been reached.
>That is when we realized that security of the bar codes was important.> > Now, I
>only print PreK-1st grade, and we keep the notebook in a draw only to be used by
>library personnel. Students easily memorize their numbers because they use the
>number daily in one place or another.> > Experience teaches many things.> >
>Priscilla Cox <pcox@GULF.K12.FL.US> wrote: > Here is my original post.> Hello to
>all,> > Our district has recently decided to go with a district wide circulation
>system and we have chosen Destiny. We are still in the set up phase of this but
>one question has arisen that is causing slight panic in our media specialists. Our
>schools are all small and because of this we have always just assigned our
>students a simple to remember patron id number that they use to check out books.
>The student gives the number; we type it in and then scan their books. With
>Destiny we will be using the student's district number which is 10 digits long.
>There is no way our students can remember a 10 digit number, especially at our
>elementary school level. So my question is this; how do you check out books using
>Destiny? Do you make each student a library card that they have to carry around
>with them? What do you do?> Thanks in advance and I will post a hit if anyone
>would like me to.> > I received numerous responses and have included a variety of
>them. Many of them had the same suggestions. I want to thank everyone who
>responded. I am getting more today and if anything original comes in I will post
>another hit.> > Priscilla> **We're in the stage of converting to Destiny just like
>you. We're excited! I use this method and will probably continue. Each student has
>a paint stick with their barcode and name taped to it. They keep these in the
>classroom and bring them when they come to check out. The stick is their shelf
>marker as they look for books and the barcode is used when they check out. Hope
>that helps.> **We just ask for their last name most of the time, and have the
>search set for last name...> **For elementary you can make cards that either you
>keep or the teacher keeps and you hand out during library time. Or you can make a
>binder with a page for each teacher and all of the barcodes for that class on the
>page. I've done the binder in the past and it worked fine.> **Middle Schoolers and
>High Schoolers can learn to carry around a card, although I admit ours don't do a
>very good job of it, even though it's "required."> **With Destiny you can print a
>class list of barcodes for each teacher.> Most of my elementary schools print them
>and keep them in a binder at the circulation desk. Of course, you can also make
>cards with the barcode on them. If you use Lifetouch as your photographer, they
>will make you cards when they do school pictures.> You can also just type in the
>first or last name of the student or even the teacher's name to bring up the
>class.> ** At the secondary level each student has a student ID with their 10
>digit ID number (barcode). At the elementary level each class has a sheet with all
>the kids ID/Barcode numbers. You can also type in the student's name> ** I have a
>notebook with student IDs printed by homeroom. Students come to the check out
>desk, say their homeroom and first and last name. Works great! But I only have 16
>homerooms.> ** I print out the student barcodes on a sheet of paper and have them
>arranged by homeroom teacher in binder at the circ desk.> ** Hi...I am a single
>school, so I don't know if our method would work for you.> All of our students
>have a three digit patron number. For students in grades 1 though 4, we print out
>their patron barcode and attach it to an index card that stays here in the
>library. Before their class comes in, we put the cards in a hanging pocket chart
>and the students look for their name (also written on the card) which they bring
>with to the circulation desk, along with their book.> Students in grades 5 though
>8 are given their cards. They need to memorize their number. They also need to
>write it down on the first page of their homework assignment book, in case they
>forget or they lose their card. None of them use the cards; they know their
>number.> If you contact Destiny, they can offer assistance. I found them to be
>very helpful when I started out.> > ** We have a 6 digit #. Our kids recite it, we
>punch in, off they go. However, it is very easy to make ID cards or the company
>who makes our school photos will also make (for free) picture ID cards for the
>kids. Another way to go is a USB number pad. You'd be surprised how the key pad
>will encourage the kids to remember their numbers> > ** We also have Destiny and
>all of our students use their student IDs to login in for the library and in the
>cafeteria. They key their names in on the keypad. We do look students up by last
>name when necessary. My nephew has known his ID since kindergarten.> > ** We had
>Destiny at my last school which was K - 5. The students had 9 digit ID numbers.
>All the students grades 2 - 5 knew their numbers and used them successfully. By
>January most of the 1st graders knew their numbers. By the end of the year I was
>letting Kdg students type in their numbers on a keypad. They can do it. It helped
>that they used their number in the computer lab as well as the cafeteria.> > When
>students forgot their numbers we had a book with barcodes at the desk arranged by
>homeroom. At my present school we paste the barcodes on the front page of the
>student agendas.> > ** This is our third year using Destiny. In Destiny the patron
>record has fields for BOTH a District ID# and a local barcode number. Destiny
>searches for the patron record by the patron barcode number. As long as your
>district would permit it, you could still assign the short student ID number and
>use that as the patron barcode. The record still has the District ID listed, but
>you can search by the shorter number. We do not use student ID cards or rolodex at
>the desk. We just ask the student for their 5-digit ID number and type that in to
>access the record. It's also VERY easy to search by last name for students who
>forget their ID number.> I'd be glad to answer any other Destiny questions. You
>can see our catalog at: http://destiny.lcmrschools.com/> **our elementary used to
>keep bookmarks by class with the student's name and barcode. When they came in as
>a class or independently, they were easy to locate.> At the middle school, I
>create a card, about half an index card. We attach the barcode to this for them to
>carry around. If they lose it we charge 25 cents to replace it. We consider it
>training for high school.> At the high school, they have ID badges with their
>district issued number imbeded. They use their ID to checkout materials. They have
>to pay $6.00 to replace th badge, which is why I consider my cheep little cards
>training.> * We use Destiny across our district and I LOVE it. It is my all time
>favorite library software. You'll love cataloging and sharing title records. We
>also use district idea, which will work to your favor when a student transfers to
>you (or away from you) within district, since everything they owe will travel with
>them.> I print out library cards for the kids, which you probably know you can do
>with reports in Destiny. They have a barcode on them. I store the cards here in
>the library by class. I have seen different libraries do this differently. Mine
>are in my workroom filed by class in an old card catalog. I just put out a class
>when I have them, next to the circulation desk. I have seen other elementaries in
>the district but them out publicly so the kids can retrieve them themselves.>
>Another things schools have done, but it would be way too efficient for us, is
>have a student ID pinned to the student with their ID as barcode, then they can
>use it at lunch and library. I think that's really cool, but our kids don't have
>IDs!> ** We have Destiny and I love it! I have a large binder that I keep at the
>check out desk. The students' library cards are organized by grade level and
>teacher in the binder. I scan each student's card when they come up to the desk.
>It is quick, easy, and the kids don't have to keep up with their own cards!> **
>Our district has been using Destiny a little over a year. We have 4 scholls with
>enrollment around 900-1000 in each school. Our students have a 7 digit number and
>have no problem remembering them. They also have a lunch card that they bring. if
>they bring their card to the library, I reward them with a piece of candy. I also
>print a list of numbers. Also, Destiny has a feature where you can type in the
>student's last name and click on Find Patron and it will list all of the students
>with that last name. When you click on the name it takes you to the check out page
>for that student. I am in the middle school in our district. I LOVE DESTINY!!! It
>is very easy to use and has many great reports.> > > Priscilla Cox> > Media
>Specialist/Tv Pro/Yearbook Adviser> > Wewahitchka Middle/High School> >
>pcox@gulf.k12.fl.us> > 850-639-5729> [cid:image002.gif@01C83716.529E3F90]> >
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