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My "target" question was; What I was trying to find for her are examples of where the lexile level and the emotional level of the book are "out of whack". I know there have been examples in the posts on LM_NET but without reading every one of the archive posts on lexile/AR/Reading counts etc I cannot seem to find them. So I am asking for examples of lexile level being questionable in terms of the emotional level of the book. First of all, I DO know that lexiles do not equate to grade level. But knowing that I wanted examples that could be shown to a group of teachers so they also would know that. Here are the responses. Check the lexile on John Grisham's books. That is one that is used as an example. It is very low (6th grade, I think) but you wouldn't want an average 6th grader to read those books. I have always been told that popular novels like Danielle Steel and co. are about 4th grade reading level... TRIGGER by Susan Vaught-about a boy who is recovering from a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head lexile is 570 (same as WHIPPING BOY) and AR is 3.3 WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE lexile is 740 L (same as WALK TWO MOONS) and AR is 3.4 An example that comes to mind Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson. The Lexile for this book is 690 indicating technically it could be used from 3rd grade on. I highly doubt a parent would want their third grader reading about a high school freshman who was raped and the turmoil it caused in their life. Another example is Trigger by Susan Vaught. The Lexile for this book is 570. Trigger is a book dealing with the aftermath of a high school boy who tries to commit sucide by shooting himself in the head and lives. 590 Byars Keeper of the Doves 620 Cooney Beloved Dearly 660 Creech Ruby Holler 790 Fuqua Darby 650 Giff Pictures of Hollis Woods 540 Hopkinson Pioneer Summer 730 Kinsey-Warnock Lumber Camp Library 610 Kochenderfer Victory Garden 890 Levy Splash! Poems of Our Watery World 630 Lisle How I Became a Writer… NP Prelutsky Scranimals 780 Ryan When Marian Sang 650 Spinelli Loser 780 Avi Crispin 520 Bauer Stand Tall 800 Bruchac Winter People 680 Carey Wenny Has Wings 760 Draper Double Dutch 840 Ferris Once Upon a Marigold 1030 Fleischman Phineas Gage 860 Gantos What Would Joey Do? 760 Hiaasen Hoot 690 Hobbs Wild Man Island 750 Martin Corner of the Universe 690 Mikaelsen Red Midnight 670 Paterson Same Stuff As Stars 830 Seely Grasslands 870 Seidler Brothers Below Zero 820 Tolan Surviving the Applewhites 570 Hurwitz Russell Rides Again 600 Freeman Corduroy AD 630 Adler Picture Book of Abraham Lincoln AD 630 McCloskey Make Way For Ducklings 640 Grisham **Firm 720 Freeman Bearymore 730 Hemingway **Farewell to Arms AD 740 Sendak Where the Wild Things Are 790 Salinger **Catcher in the Rye 800 Adler Picture Book of Lewis & Clark 830 Remarque **All Quiet on the Western Front 850 Cleary Ramona the Pest 860 Cleary Mouse and the Motorcycle 890 Bradbury **Fahrenheit 451 940 Lewis Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe 990 Twain Adventures of Huckleberry Finn 1000 Tolkien Hobbit 1060 Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey 1300 Alcott Little Women The clearest example of the "mismatch" that I have come across so far is the Newbery Honor Book "The Upstairs Room" having a Lexile of 380, which puts it below the level of most picture books. You can go to lexiles.com and type in almost any YA or adult book and see lexiles of from 400 to 900 come up for books with very adult content. For example--Gossip Girl is an 820--which falls in the fifth grade range. 400 is second grade; 900 is at the beginning of sixth grade. Funny you should mention this... I just pulled 3 books after kids had checked them out when I realized how misleading that darned green 4th grade AR sticker was on these books. (We have them color-coded by level--this predates my tenure at this school.) The 3 I found were Here's to You, Rachel Robinson by Judy Blume, Kim/Kimi by Hadley Irwin and Stargirl by Jerry Spinelli. I will probably donate all 3 to a new middle school library that's opening next year. When I looked them up they all had Upper Grade designations for interest level. The kids who are in classes which use AR tend to just pull books by sticker rather than looking at anything else about the book. (Drives me crazy!) I've talked a lot about finding books that interest them but with the pressure to take lots of AR tests, they don't really focus on that. You may want to check out this site: http://www.metametricsinc.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?view=mm&tabindex=2&tabid=9 6 Lexiles and emotional level of the book are not necessarily going to coincide Black-eyed Suzie by Susan Shaw has a 380 lexile, but is definitely an upper middle school/high school content book. Lexile 510 (recommended lexile for 2nd to 4th) Breathing under water by alex Flinn recommended 7th grade and up --about date rape Lexile 600 -- Leslies Journal by allan Stratton recommended 7th grade and up--Date rape. Lexile 690 Speak by Laurie Anderson recommended for 7th and up deals with rape Lexile 500-600 Most of R.L. stines high school Horror books Lexiles 540-670 Michael Crighton's books Terminal man, Rising Sun, Lost world recommended for high school Cats Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut 790 (5-6th grade lexile) recommended for high school Deborah Stafford Gen. H.H. Arnold High School Wiesbaden, Germany deborah.stafford@t-online.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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