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I agree with Cathy that this is a "fabulous" discussion. Well, maybe not fabulous, but important. Cathy wrote: (snip): " . . . to authors including racy words to grab attention: . . . she originally wrote intending it for an adult audience. The original book . . . whose dialogue she changed when she decided to target a younger audience. . . she and her editor had lengthy discussions and even looked at the book line by line examining it for appropriate language. I found that a little scary - another form of censorship perhaps?" Thought: How can it be censorship if the book isn't in print yet? Authors always go through their books (one would hope, anyway) and make changes before the book goes to print. And often, the editor makes (or calls for) changes. Is that censorship? I suppose it could be (from the author's perspective) if it's against the author's will, but of course the author can resort to breaking the contract if the wording's that important to her/him. If the author is re-targeting her book to a new audience, I find it very appropriate that the wording would be changed. What's so hard about the concept of age-appropriateness? Obviously none of us will ever agree on drawing an exact line (age-wise) for EVERY book, but general guidelines are important. Otherwise, why have designations such as "children's books" or "YA" (Young Adult) at all? Why have a Children's section in a public library? Why have them in bookstores? Obviously, there's a good reason. Perhaps the problem isn't so much the books as the way our schools are set up: K - 6 instead of K - 5 in many cases. If you check Follett Titlewave, they break the suggested range between 5th and 6th grade, so that books for 6th graders fall into a 6 - 8 grade range. While every child is different, I think most of us would (from our own observations) agree that by 6th grade, many kids are beginning to be more "adolescent" than "child." Hormones are hitting big time, and most kids are beginning the body and mind changes. Their understanding of the world around them is broadening and they're ready for more mature storylines. Those of us at the K - 6 sites often find ourselves in the dilemma of deciding which 6 - 8 books we can order that will perk the interest of our more mature 6th graders but won't be "over the top" if a 4th grader checks them out. It's a difficult choice. To me, censorship is the pulling or withdrawing of an acquired item, not the choice of not selecting the item. You can't "ban" something you don't have. Joanne Ladewig (A.K.A. "Library Lady") Library Media Tech Lawrence Elementary, GGUSD Garden Grove, California shatz@verizon.net Comments are my own and may not represent the views of GGUSD * Subject: Re: [LM_NET] censorship vs. selection * From: Cathy Rettberg <crettberg@MENLOSCHOOL.ORG> * Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:31:58 -0800 * In-Reply-To: <004001c75a19$65147430$6600a8c0@Upstairs <http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/LM_NET/Current/msg01246.html> > * References: <004001c75a19$65147430$6600a8c0@Upstairs <http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/LM_NET/Current/msg01246.html> > * Reply-To: Cathy Rettberg <crettberg@MENLOSCHOOL.ORG> * Sender: School Library Media & Network Communications <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> First let me say that I think this is a fabulous discussion. The whole censorship vs selection thing is truly a slippery slope IMO. There's a pretty fine line between "I won't buy this book because it has a word (a topic, a concept) that I think is inappropriate or because parents will complain" and "I won't buy this book because it doesn't suit my readers/my collection." It's a concept I've always struggled with - the fact is, banning a book from a library (in an official sense) has never prevented a reader from getting the book elsewhere, so I think it's hard to use availability elsewhere as rationale for not calling it censorship. It's a personal decision that we make in a professional and very public manner - one person's logical decision is another person's censorship. For my part I've already bought the book, which I might not have done without the controversy (I don't necessarily buy every Newbery) - I plan to use it as a springboard for discussion with my students who are convinced that book banning doesn't happen. Last point, in reference to the NYT (I think) reference to authors including racy words to grab attention: a local author spoke at my school today. She has published a YA book (her first) that she originally wrote intending it for an adult audience. The original book included some "salty characters" (the author's words) whose dialogue she changed when she decided to target a younger audience. I asked her about the nature of the changes and brought up the present Newbery situation. She said she and her editor had lengthy discussions and even looked at the book line by line examining it for appropriate language. I found that a little scary - another form of censorship perhaps? Cathy ----------- Cathy Rettberg, MLIS Head Librarian, Menlo School, grades 6-12 Atherton, CA crettberg@menloschool.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. 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