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Pertaining to the most recent hit you posted, I guess it just goes to show that districts vary greatly. In my school I rarely see teachers coming in late unless there is some emergency reason. (I have been told, however, that the principal comes in late regularly.) Our teachers are required to be in the building from 7:40 until 3:10. Many come in at 7 or even 6:30 regularly and others stay until 3:30 or 4 regularly. They spend time with students on their prep hour and at lunch regularly as well. The teachers in my school generally seem much more devoted to the job than the administrators and I can't think of one that ought to be let go. Marsha Redd Librarian, Kelloggsville High School Grand Rapids, MI marsharedd@hotmail.com Education is not a goal; it is a life-long process. Everyone is a student. Everyone is a teacher. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Nancy Dickinson <dickinson1@K12TN.NET> Reply-To: dickinson1@K12TN.NET To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [LM_NET] HIT: Policing our profession, part 3 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:41:14 -0500 Here is another entry into the discussion on policing our profession. These are not my comments, but rather the comments of another member of lm_net. Nancy Dickinson, Librarian Hillsboro Elem. School Hillsboro, TN 37342 dickinson1@k12tn.net Several comments on the hit regarding policing our profession. First of all, it was a real eye opener for me in terms of the Union and Administrators role. I am not sure if it is just my shop town or my state of Michigan, but I have never known a tenured teacher even a very bad one to be fired. It appears that the Union protects both those doing their jobs and those who are not. This includes at the end of their teaching careers too when many teachers should have retired but just hang in there doing as little as possible and everyone lets them. The kids are the big losers here. All that is required is to pay your Union dues. However, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes between specific teachers and specific administrators. I do know that where I am at, teachers want everything they can get from their contract but don't necessarily want to fulfill their obligations. I can give you two current examples. First the contract says teachers are to be in the building from 7:40 AM (classes start at 7:50 AM) to 2:40 PM every day they are scheduled. Yet I consistently saw teachers come in 3 - 4 times a week at 7:45- 8:00 AM (often after classes began). Second, we ended the year with 2 full weeks of Professional Development for which we were paid additional funds. Again, showing up on time was an issue but teachers were still paid. (double dipping - being in two different places at once and being paid twice - was an issue too but that is another story.) However, another issue was just plain listening, being courteous and participating. At least ¼ of the room were consistently reading magazines, books, doing Soduku and crossword puzzles, etc. Another ¼ of the room were doing other education related stuff like lesson plans, MEAP questions, etc. unrelated to the speaker. This is the third building in this district I have been in and the other two were not any different. I think it is a combination of administration and Union reps. Both have to be willing to work together. Administrators have to be willing to document, document, document even the little piddling things (if the teacher is truly a poor teacher and needs to change professions). By the same token the Union needs to support the teachers doing their jobs but NOT the ones who are just using the system and sliding by! As to the Law and the medical profession. Yes, they do have systems in place to police their own. However, these systems DO break down. The best evidence of that in the medical profession is the huge amount of malpractice insurance that must be paid. Of course, that goes hand in hand with the law too. If people weren't so litigious, then malpractice wouldn't be so high. But also if the medical profession policed itself better, the number of lawsuits wouldn't be so high either because people wouldn't feel the need to sue. Not every medical lawsuit is about money until you get to the lawyer. In many cases it starts out as trying to prevent the same mistake from happening to others. But once it hits the lawyer, they need their fees (I know they have to make a living) and the higher the settlement, the greater the fee. As far as the law profession, I know there are many good and ethical lawyers practicing law. However, that said, there are also many corrupt lawyers that know how to work the system and get away with it. I suppose the same is true in many other professions, but here it seems to abound because of the nature of the beast. There are, I am sure, many rules in place, but a lawyer knows just where the loopholes are. So the reality is that the mistake has to be very public or HUGE in order for action to be taken. You can see this again and again in the news and indeed in your own life if you just look and in (dare I say it) politics where the vast majority are lawyers. Perhaps the problem is the definition of the word ethics. It must be different for lawyers than for regular people. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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