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Original Question: Two copyright questions. 1. Can you post images of bookcovers copied from a source such as Amazon.com on a website as part of a classroom book review page? 2. Can you post podcasts on a website with children holding up an actual book cover while they review the title? I received many requests for a HIT Responses are below. I left off names where requested and tried to eliminate duplication of responses. I also posted the question to the ALA Copyright Advisory. More responses can be found at the following link: My thanks to everyone who gave this some thought and responded. American Library Association Copyright advisory network http://www.librarycopyright.net/ I don't know the answer to your questions, but in all honesty, I have already done what you are asking about. I guess I just figured it would be kind of like advertising for the book. How could they object to that. I didn't copy the image from Amazon, but I scanned the book cover and made my own image. And on my web site I have a picture of myself holding up a book. I can't see how there would be a problem with that. Marsha Redd Librarian, Kelloggsville High School Grand Rapids, MI marsharedd@hotmail.com ********* Have you tried searching the archives (http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/)? I think this question has come up a few times before, and a quick search for "book covers" might give you some useful feedback. (At a glance, it looks like the answer is no: if you're planning to make a website open to the world - then you need permission; if it's for a school project that only the school will see, it might be okay...) Bekah Vickers LMS Student Fort Worth, TX rlv0037@unt.edu ********** The answer to both those questions is "maybe." Remember that a copyright fair use assessment is highly fact specific, and tiny differences in details may swing the pendulum in the other direction. On #1, if the review is of the graphic, sure. That would be commentary of the item being copied and distributed. If the review is of the book, the answer is "maybe." It all depends on if a court would find the graphic of the cover, done by someone apart from the author, would be considered material subject to criticism. The nonprofit use is in your favor, but not deciding of itself. The use of the image isn't really transformative -- you aren't doing anything to the image, and you aren't even talking about the image. So that's a toss up. Add to that you are distributing the image to the world, you are using all of the image, and the image is creative. Courts of late have put great stock in the fact that simple licensing is available to address the fourth factor. Syndetic Systems licenses book cover images for use on web pages and OPACs, so a court might take that into consideration, as well. You would be in better shape if the image were just mounted for a brief time -- 1-2 weeks, perhaps. On the second one, are you talking about vodcasts or podcasts? Podcasts (audio only) wouldn't matter at all. Vodcasts (video and sound) would be pretty much the same as the above. The fact that they are not having an image of the graphic would certainly weigh in your favor there -- it's just an incidental part of the video. I doubt that anyone would do a Vanna White and hold the book the entire time they were speaking. A short shot at the beginning to show the book, then set it down and talk would be much more defensible than a tight shot on the cover with just voice over by the students. *********** Okay, I'll give a crack. Can you post images of bookcovers copied from a source such as Amazon.com? No, not on a public website. If you were using it in a powerpoint or something in school, you could use the images. You might want to email Amazon and ask them for permission. 2. Can you post podcasts on a website with children holding up an actual book cover while they review the title? I think you could do this if you don't mention the student's name or show their face. ********** I don't know the answer, but there is a way to simply link to Amazon's content to add the link to the picture to your page and actually make Amazon's picture show up without downloading it to your site. I don't remember how to do it, but you should be able to search for instructions on the web or in an html book. Another thought for your site - are you familiar with LibraryThing.com? It's a free (up to 100 books, and you can remove old ones to stay under 100) book review site that puts pictures and reviews up. My school's page is at http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=JohnBapst I'd recommend you use display style D or our suggested style to see what it's capable of doing. Good luck. Cynthia Lutz John Bapst Memorial High School 100 Broadway Bangor, Maine 04401 clutz@johnbapst.org ********* 1. From all sources, we are finding that this is probably not a good idea. Sure, you are promoting the book and increasing sales. But, it is an infringement. 2. GO FOR IT. R. Jean Gustafson Teacher/Librarian Selah Jr. High Selah, WA 98942 jeangustafson@selah.k12.wa.us ·********* I am not an expert, but my understanding is that Amazon allows you to use their book cover scans on your website as long as they link back to Amazon. We use a widget from Library Thing on our website (http://www.fcps.edu/LutherJacksonMS/library/library.html) that shows a random selection of our newer books using Amazon covers and, while I don't have any agreement with Amazon, I have heard Tim Spalding, the founder of Library Thing, discuss this. On the second question, my understanding of the law says there is nothing that prevents you from doing this. But I am less sure of the reasoning behind it. Hope this helps. ---Bob. /* Bob Hassett, Head Librarian */ /* Luther Jackson Middle School (081) */ /* 3020 Gallows Road */ /* Falls Church, Virginia 22042 */ /* (703) 204-8133 */ /* Bob.Hassett@fcps.edu */ /************************************************/ 1. If it were me--I'd hyperlink to the original art on the other page rather than copying/re-posting. Your rights are different when providing a hyperlink to another image. You do run the risk that your source will move or delete your hyperlink. (I've never had this happen, though.) If you hyperlink--you're {providing access to} rather than {using} 2. I earnestly believe that this would be fair use for purposes of review. It would be different if they students were reading the book on the podcast and showing all of the pictures. Usage for review is fairly wide. Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV. Harry Harry F. Coffill hcoffill@egrps.org Media Center Specialist East Grand Rapids Middle School Drama Department East Grand Rapids High School Diane Strumello Media Coordinator Milford Public Schools 70 West River Street Milford, CT 06460 203-783-3441 dstrumello@milforded.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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