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Responses I received Thanks!! I have created two search engines or databases that access only informational web sites previously selected by educators, librarians, and educational and library consortia. They are www.virtuallrc.com and www.academicindex.net . I am presently re-designing www.academicindex.net . Please look at www.academicindex.net/browse2.html and www.academicindex.net/index2.html .. I read your post on LM_Net, and I agree with your position that providing more library databases is self-defeating because it provides students with an excuse to use Google instead. Your solution about using federated searching certainly is a step in the right direction of meeting student needs and providing a variety of vetted resources for learning that Google can’t. I have been a ProQuest consultant for some years since my retirement as teacher and tech coordinator at a PA school district. One of my major responsibilities was to develop the BookCart lesson planning tool and create a collection of hundreds of free models that librarians can copy and adapt to increase librarian-teacher collaboration and use of library resources. I’m not sure if you know about this tool and how it may address the needs of students and teachers in an educationally superior way than federated searching. I’m not in sales. I only offer this information because I wish that I had this tool available in my former career as an educator. As I train librarians to use BookCarts, they are grateful for this innovative way to get teachers excited about using library resources to integrate 21st Century skills and be a Google Buster too. Differentiating Learning with BookCart/CourseCart Lesson Planning -- Many librarians may not be aware that the eLibrary BookCart provides a unique and innovative strategy for teachers to build custom lesson plans for inquiry-based activities. ProQuest has created hundreds of models including the new U.S. Government and Civics CourseCarts. Librarians can copy and edit these to serve the needs of most of their teaching staff. This one-stop solution for students is a compelling reason for teachers and students to use focused and credible BookCart learning instead of wasted time and supervision required in Google research. BookCarts can also integrate other library database resources. BookCarts can also differentiate learning resources for challenged, mainstream, and advances learners. Only eLibrary has this unique teacher tool and free collection of hundreds of professional models that can jump start inquiry-based activities across all curriculum areas and levels. Copy part or all of the collection and present the benefits to your teachers. This is an excellent way to bring them back to the library for all their K-12 research needs and support your goal of integrating the new AASL 21st Century Literacy standards. BookCarts Correlated to U.S Government & Civics Textbooks – This list of CourseCarts demonstrates the power and usefulness of eLibrary BookCarts to librarians, teachers, and school leaders. This list of 21 ProQuest Carts correlates to major topics and issues in textbooks used to teach U.S. Government/Civics courses in high schools. Each BookCart is a collection of articles and websites that provide both current and historic information on the chapter topic and issues. Each can include end of chapter questions for critical thinking. Each enables teachers to choose what and when to assign 21st Century inquiry-based learning activities as enrichment. Each preserves and expands the investment in textbooks used to teach this course. I have been thinking about this for a year. I'd like to know what federated search products are available and who is using them. I believe federated searching is very common in postsecondary institutions and I guess I'll have to start asking people in those institutions. I want to prepare our students for their postsecondary training and education. First, a caveat: I am not a library media specialist, but a university librarian (I'm on the listserv because I teach reference for a minor in library science, and I'm having the students 'lurk'). We have a federated search engine which I happen to dislike...but mostly because LOCALLY it doesn't meet expectations, which is partly our problem rather than the search engines' fault. Not using the federated search *does* put a strain on training, which primarily falls back on my shoulders. As you point out, college students - and even more so at the K-12 levels - do go to the internet first because it is quick and easy. Yes, a lot of the stuff on the 'net is dross; but for K-12 in particular, where the likelihood of needing 'scholarly' quality articles is far less, I think a federated search is a great tool. Since the federated search tool is at least searching in a pool of more 'quality' than an internet search engine to begin with, the relative 'fit' of what they find is going to be better, even if not exactly on target. The refined language of individual databases is probably not significant enough for the K-12 audience. I can't imagine, for instance, that your students are cross-searching America History and Life and ERIC, which have 2 distinctly different language structures. The terms they are likely to use are still likely keywords, if not subject terms...and it's in the subject/vocabulary that the true variation in searches really appears. The staff may be a different matter, but you can probably isolate them into groups and teach them the individual database interface. My colleagues in the University structure feel that, even for lower division undergraduates, teaching a federated search engine rather than individual databases is the most efficacious, and even 'force' it by requiring a searcher to go into the federated search engine even to locate and isolate the other, individual databases. Some of them are only teaching advanced searches in the native interface of say, PsycInfo, when the students reach sophomore or junior level. As I said, I don't happen to like our federated search engine; but that is because we are significantly understaffed and do not have the technological expertise to stay on top of maintaining all the subsets (through the federated portal) for all 150+ databases to which we subscribe. I also don't like some of our choices (which we are rethinking), like including the catalog in a basic search. That, in turn, leads me into more explanations of how the federated database is working (or not!), which I find more tedious than teaching the databases individually. :-) To add on top of that, we then have an additional 'tool' that locates full text across the various subscriptions; and while both the federated search and the 'find it' tool are produced by the same company, they don't always work together!!! Teachers schedule time in the library with 5 days allotted for each project. The first day is library instruction. We use whole group instruction and demonstrate the variety of sources that they need. With freshmen, it's an introduction on "how to" use the databases. For the 10-12 grades, it's a refresher course or introduction to new ones that we have. We subscribe to Galenet databases (Bio Resource Center, Opposing Viewpoints & Discovering), EbscoHost (free of charge from the state), Issues & Controversies in American History, Magill Literary Criticism, SIRS Discoverer/Explorer, OKCIS (Ok Career database). The students know which ones to use and how to use them. We don't want federated searches because we are teaching them how to use the databases and how to access these at home. When they go to college, they are prepared to use the databases there and can also use ours online as well. We teach them that Googling something is fine for fast information like a recipe or car facts, etc. but that research is scholarly and needs experts. Our kids have no trouble using the databases. I also think that if they learned this skill in the lower grades, it would be much easier for us to introduce it to the freshmen. I think federated is the way to go. Here in PA, our POWER LIBRARY suite of about 30 databases is going that way. I think in the elementary, if we start out with basic database searching principles, then they can progress to using a federated search. There is so much info out there; I don't see how we can continue with the multiple database model. Paula Yohe Director Of Technology/Library Media Center Dillon School District Two 405 West Washington Street Dillon, SC 29536 Phone: 843-841-3604 Fax:843-774-1214 paula_yohe@yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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