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I'd like to weigh in here, too. (Cross posting this to LM_Net, too--just to shake up the hive.) I considered the question about "dumbing down" my MC when I eliminated the reference section this year, but I need to compare it to my experience getting my LMC endorsement. One of our class projects was to create "Scavenger hunts" for each other (in my grad class) where we had to create a list of obscure facts for others to search for using on-line reference. The tables were turned the following week when we were required to find the data ourselves using the reference library of GR public. It took me 3 hours to find what it took me 20 minutes to find on-line. I don't think my professor meant for us to take the lesson from this that I did--which is that my tax dollars paid for a LOT of paper resources on the shelf at the GR public library that were TRULY unnecessary. I appreciate the value of a reference librarian--but I'm not so sure I appreciate the value of high-priced, low-use reference materials. Better to spend money on things that circulate. Do we really need (just for one example) hard copies of almanacs any more? Really? I have no compunctions about cross-filing any reference materials that we had onto shelves where students will discover and use them. Are there still librarians who are worried about the day that this "fad" of using computers will end? I've never forgotten the librarian at my undergrad college who explained to me disdainfully that she'd gotten rid of the SIRS databases (on CD then!) because it was "too easy for students to find things." Harry Coffill Original posts from MAMELIST follow: >Username Removed<< 11/18/2008 1:34 PM >>> yes - without elem media specialists, the lack of basic skills will begin to show in the upper grades - I think this new idea promotes an immediate response to needs that might be better be fulfilled with a little thinking and the use of common sense. Also, with the lack of support and student aides (in middle school), shelving into more categories takes more time. I would rather spend more time facilitating student searches on our union catalog and other databases for these popular topics. >Username Removed<< 11/18/08 10:15 AM >>> Finally I feel that I must respond to the organized media center fray. A couple of questions come to mind as I read this thread: Are we teaching students to use the media center or just turning them loose and "making it easy" for them to find things? Aren't we preparing them for the world outside our sheltered walls? Shouldn't we be teaching them to use the media center so as they use other libraries (public, college, grad school, etc) they have the confidence to find the information they need? What a sense of empowerment for students! They know the library secrets! They can go anywhere and find the information they need because the 'set up' is always the same! I realize that this is a bit old fashioned but I can't help but remember listening to Joyce Valenza and thinking that she wouldn't let her student cop out or give up an opportunity to empower her students. Having said this, I also realize that library media specialists are stretched so far that they are practically transparent and many media specialists at the elementary level (where we teach this) have been eliminated or serve several buildings. And so the problem is deeper than just making things easier. Harry F. Coffill hcoffill@egrps.org Media Center Specialist East Grand Rapids Middle School Drama Department East Grand Rapids High School "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."Benjamin Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------