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Wow! Thanks for all your responses everyone! The notes I've gotten from LM_Net this AM have been intriguing, too. Here are some paraphrases of responses that I got from both MAME and LM_Net: "Almanacs are necessary." "Not all libraries have computers/working computers." "I hope you're still requiring students to learn how to find material in books." "Don't deny patrons access to hard copies of materials." "The tech level of patrons varies even within an age group." So...to clarify. We were discussing the integration of REF within my NF stacks. I still stand by that decision IN MY PUBLIC SCHOOL LIBRARY. Those of you in public libraries--I very much understand spending your money on reference materials and maintaining that collection. I may not agree with some of the more esoteric tomes you're spending money on, but they're your patrons and you know what they need. I'm still buying almanacs, encyclopedia (but not for much longer...) and atlases. I'm just shelving them where my patrons can find them. I try to never have students need to look in more than one place for materials. In fact, I see that it's easier to EMPHASIZE the importance of books by not making patrons do a "leg-search." You can walk them to one spot and show them ALL of the materials they need. We keep emphasizing the importance of getting kids "away from Googling." Why complicate that message by making patrons look in multiple places for books? I watched my REF section gather dust the first three years I was here. I pointed to it, shouted about it, pulled books from it, and frankly could have done a tap-dance complete with tails and I don't think kids would have gone there. The books are being used now. Isn't that the point? As to tech issues. (My 2 cents alert!) How much are you spending on "Current Biography," "Career Pathways", etc, etc, etc. How much are they really getting used? How many desktop computers could you buy for the yearly subscription price of those materials? Thanks for the scintillating conversation... Harry Harry F. Coffill hcoffill@egrps.org Media Center Specialist East Grand Rapids Middle School Drama Department East Grand Rapids High School "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."Benjamin Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------