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-------Original Message------------------------ I have been having problems finding information on our subscription databases but usually figure it's because I am searching the wrong way. Also I have overheard some librarians bemoan the lack of use their subscription databases are getting. One of our teachers is doing a research lesson on popular children authors, so I decided to try our databases. I did a trial run on a few authors such as Rick Riordan & Dan Gutman. I tried EBSCO (novel list, literary reference center, Funk & Wagnalls New World Encyclopedia), WorldBook, and SIRS Discoverer, but did not find much if any biographical information. I also tried Enotes, but most of that biographical information was copied from Wikipedia. So I thought I would try our subscription search engines (netTrekker & Webpath Express) and the VirtualLRC, again little luck. So then I tried Google and found lots of information including the author's website. The customized Google search put together by Dr. Bell (infotopia) also worked. I know I could buy another database specifically for biographies, but feel for this level it would be better for the students to learn only a few databases rather than many. OneSearch (our subscription "search many databases at once" service) doesn't work well because it does not distinguish between book reviews (of which there are plenty) and biographical information (of which there is little). Another example is searching for the 1980's Olympics "Miracle on Ice". There is a two sentence mention in World Book Online, and there is a few things mentions in EBSCOHost, but one can find some decent and thorough information through Google. Am I missing something here? Is there any nice comprehensive database, or will I have to just purchase as many subscriptions as my budget allows? I just find it a bit hard to justify when a free Google search finds good information and wonder if I would be better off teaching how to evaluate websites. What do you do? Stephen Major Secondary Librarian Gyeonggi Suwon International School South Korea majormr@gsis.sc.kr REPLIES ----------------------------------------- I've had very similar experiences with expensive databases. In fact, one year I had a trial to Gale's biography database (at time over $3,000/yr). The first 2 "famous" people I tried weren't even in the database: Oscar Romero and Natalia Ginzburg. Students in my school were needing bio info on Oscar Romero, and the Natalia Ginzburg search was my own interest (she's a great, 20th c. Italian author) I do heartily recommend teaching evaluation skills, because even if they are using something like Ebsco or Gale, they still need to know that many periodicals have their own biases. For example, National Review vs. The Nation. One is conservative, the other is liberal. Students need to know that even search results in subscription databases need to be evaluated. -------------------------------------------------- I have encountered so much resistance in my attempts to get students, and especially teachers, to use the subscription tools, that I'm about ready to give up and say -- "just Google. No doubt you'll find something, and maybe I'll be more successful at teaching you to choose among your results in that environment." Teachers and (I'm told) professors seem to care little about the quality of the material used as resource/reference, and the databases are a big chunk of my budget. ---------------------------------------------- In my opinion you are better off teaching them how to use the internet well instead of pouring more money into databases that they will not have access to when they leave school anyway - then what will they do if you have not taught them how to properly use the open net? Many people in our area are voicing their opinions about database frustration and some are saying enough is enough. ------------------------------------------------------- I very much agree with you. I find myself in a pickle, I am trying to go into a digital library 2.0 area, but the subscription databases are either too expensive or do not provide enough information. I try to do some research for the IB extended essay, and ProQuest/EBSCO/MUSE can only give me abstracts or articles from Newsweek. I have personal access to powerful databases, and I teach the kids to search Google Scholar, then give me the citation. I feel that I at least get them to understand a database that way, even if it is more work on me. For us overseas librarians, I am also at a loss for the magazines, which arrive always too late. ----------------------------------------------------- I would be very interested in a hit if you get some good advice. I realized the other day as I went to Wikipedia to help a student who couldn't find anything in our databases just to get enough information to go back and search the databases better that something was wrong with this picture... and I'm at a junior/technical college library. ------------------------------------------ Our high school students have very productive search results using InfoTrac. This a compilation of Gale databases -- Check out this link for a complete list. http://www.gale.cengage.com/title_lists/ Infotrac is offered through our state. But there are other Gale databases that are just as wonderful. ------------------------------------------------------------ Biographical information is not always readily available in journal or magazine articles. I think it would be a great idea to provide students with at least one online biographical source. That being said, it is hard to figure out which one to purchase. Here are a few examples Ebscohosts Students Research Center: This includes indexing and full-text for journals, magazines, and a few biographical encyclopedias American National Biography: Very comprehensive databases of deceased Americans, indigenous people, and early American explorers. Gale's Encyclopedia of World Biography: Available in print or as an ebook. This thirty volume set includes great biographical sketches for people throughout history and around the world. Wilson's Contemporary Biography: Availalbe as a databases, that includes excellent articles on more contemporary figues of importance. You couldn't go wrong with any of these. ---------------------------------------------------- Teachingbooks.net would be very helpful. We also have good luck with Gale databases. I have Student Resource Center and Gale Biography Resource Center. ---------------------------------------------------- For bio information, you can't beat Gale's Biography Resource Center. We use it on a variety of research papers. -------------------------------------------- Although I subscribe to EBSCO databases, I also subscribe to Gale. I searched their Literature Resource Center and got hits, including biographies for both Dan Gutman and Rick Riordan. You might want to contact them about a trial. You can go to this site http://www.gale.cengage.com/freetrials/ and fill out the info to request a trial -------------------------------------- I absolutely LOVE the Biography Resource Center - It gets tons of use at our school - Worth every penny. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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