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I believe the speaker was Socarates. Sorry guys I think I hit the wrong button and this went list wide. Check Bartletts under Socrates. Virginia Ferguson --------------------------------------------------------- Virginia Ferguson, Librarian Tel: (514) 931-9481 (241) Selwyn House School FAX: (514) 931-6118 95 Cote St. Antoine Email: virginia@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca Westmount, Quebec 71212.1752@compuserve.com Canada