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Well, I have to get into this! It's Friday. I am from central Iowa, and at one point in my long life you could tell whether someone was from northern, central, or southern Iowa by the accent--northerners sounded like those people in the movie Fargo, southerners sounded a bit like Missourians and we sounded, of course, normal. The big regionalism controversies in my life were sink or zinc (my father called it a zinc, as did his father, while my mother, born two miles from him, did not), just exactly what one calls a skillet--or a frying pan, or, as my grandfather called it, a "spider." Also, the bathroom sink, taps, faucets, lavatory; bags or sacks of groceries (how the heck else can you say that except "grosheries"?), woysh or wash (again, my father with the woysh, my mother ringing in with wash), and how one defines a creek as opposed to a "crick." We had a "crick" running at the bottom of my street, which frankly was run-off from the sewers, but Four Mile Creek was a whole other animal. Do you pronounce sandwich "sangwich" as I still do? Did your grandfather inexplicably pronounce the word three as "thlee?" Did your grandmother for some reason pronounce delicious as "malicious?" Finally, what is the little step or rise in front of your front door, where people stand and ring the bell? It is a stoop, clearly, not a porch. A porch has room for a swing. Yet we were the only family in my neighborhood to have a stoop. Identical to others' porches. Sat on the stoop drinking pop. The interesting thing to me about pop is whether a person says "I want some pop" or "I want a pop." For me, pop has always been a noun like Jell-o--you can have some, but a single pop is not "a pop." It's a can of pop. And exactly when did the word party become a verb? For me, it dates to 1980 or so. Would like to know how long it took to travel to Des Moines. Okay, I have to stop--I've loved this thread--but there is one thing I am interested in, and that is whether you notice a regional aspect to sayings, aphorisms. My father's family always had a very crude saying that one used when some told you they wanted something, and you wanted to convey the fact that they weren't going to get it--and pardon me for the vulgarity--"Want in one hand and shit in the other." Meaning the substance in the other hand was more substantial than the first, the stuff in the other hand has as much worth as the stuff in the first. I never heard anyone say it beside my father's side of the family--saying it to friends usually cost me friends--until a friend of mine married a man from Kentucky who claimed that his family had been using the charming saying as long as he could remember. How did my grandfather, born in holland and reared on a farm in Iowa, come to have stoops, spiders, and vulgar phrases from Kentucky? I guess we'll never know. Have a great weekend! Jennie E. Ver Steeg Education Liaison Librarian 207 Founders Memorial Library Northern Illinois University De Kalb, Illinois 60115 voice 815-753-1351 fax 815-753-2003 jversteeg@niu.edu floodhover@hotmail.com Compute-Ed: an electronic journal of learning and teaching with and about technology. Find it at: computed.coe.wayne.edu ____________ "Many are cold, but few are frozen." Joy Ver Steeg ___________________ >>> Jan Birney <stmark6614@YAHOO.COM> 01/27/00 03:00PM >>> I just listened to NPR's Talk of the Nation today and their topic was Accents in America. I caught the last few minutes of the program but it intrigued me because it reminded me of an article I read in Yankee Magazine about twenty years ago. The article talked about regional speech and dialects. There was a quiz that was quite comprehensive and that claimed to be able to pinpoint exactly where the quiz-taker was from--right down to the county in some cases. It was fascinating. I'm from Southern New England, about an hour from New York City. Our speech patterns and word choices don't fit the typical "New Yawhk" accents. Nor do we have the typical New England use of "wuuhds". I always thought that my speech patterns and choice of words was fairly standard--until our family moved to St. Louis, Missouri several years ago where I received a little lesson in humility. One Sunday morning my husband went to a local 7-11 and asked for "hard rolls", which make great egg sandwiches and are also great with cold cuts (probably another regionalism). The clerk looked at my husband in all seriousness and said, "Of course not--why would we have hard rolls? All of our rolls are strictly fresh." It took a while for us to adapt to our new environment, but soon we we eating Kaiser rolls with our eggs and lunch meat and we learned to enjoy frozen custard on hot summer days (tastes remarkably like soft-serve ice cream) and celebrated, with cake, the day we were "barn". I never got used to "warshing" the clothes in the "zink", however, nor did I ever shop for "grosheries". Linguistically enriched, I am, Jan Birney ===== Jan Birney, Computer Specialist Stratford Catholic Regional School System Stratford, CT 06615 stmark6614@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. 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