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Thanks to all who responded for your wonderful thoughts and insights to our dilema. I have compiled the responses and it will be shown to my principal. Of course no names or locations. Here's the responses: They are needed for research! ------------------------------- I suggest that you have her renovate the principal's office or the superintendent's office instead. If they don't want to give up their offices for her music room, then ask if the backfiles can be stored there. What are her qualifications to say that there is no need for the backfiles? Sorry if this sounded a bit harsh. I get irritated with people who think they know our business better than we do. Let this "well-known actress" take her renovations to the music department, and stay out of the library. I've been a music teacher, and I know that I'd like to have had more space at times, but not at the expense of another part of the same school. ----------------------------------------------------- I don't know which periodicals or how long you keep them but I keep very few and only for about four years. I find our kids don't use them very much for research and since we subscribe to electric library and all of our kids have excellent public libraries nearby, I feel that I can domante the space for other materials. Probably doesn't help you-sorry. ----------------------------------------------------- Actually, just today I voluntarily discarded our back issues except for the current year. Our students use Electric Library for periodical research and never ask for back issues. Two students requested magazines this year to cut out pictures. Several students like to look at recent back issues of Rolling Stone or Electronic Gaming Monthly. ------------------------------------------------------ Agi, Why don't you publicly thank this actress and make her much more well known by telling us who this lovely supporter of libraries is and we could each show our gratitude in our own way. It is not a question of shunning the Arts, I would not do that. Having a music minor and also being a member of the Barbershop Harmony Society, I can well appreciate the addition of a music room. That being said, I can not imagine having a music room next to the library, that would be so disruptive to the educational process. What is your school's policy of donations? Do the administrators and school board want to let this person dictate educational policy, or is it the size of the gift that is permitting this person to dictate how the library and the education of the student should be handled? Is there some other place in the building that can be converted? Trying to find another location may be a better tactical move than fighting this from a periodical standpoint, especially if you have an online periodical database(s). You may be well served by trying to convince the administration that just because someone is rich, famous or well intended, the gift regardless of size or value, does not change the fact that YOU are the professional with the responsibility of procuring materials for the library and know best what should and should not be included in the collection. Do you have a collection development, weeding and/or reconsideration policy(ies)? If these materials are not available to the students do to this gift and renovation from this well known benefactor, how does this differ from anyone walking in off of the street and DEMANDING that materials be removed or curriculum be eliminated? A deed of this magnitude should not go rewarded. If only we knew who this well known actress, humanitarian and supporter of libraries was, we could thank her publisher, film studio, television network, and the entertainment editors of various local and national newspapers, for such a good deed should not go unnoticed. Please keep us informed, so that we may contribute to the avalanche of kudos that should accompany this gift. ------------------------------------------------------ I only keep one year of back issues, the rest are available through EBSCOhost. ------------------------------------------------------ I give mine to the students if they more than 3 years old. The internet has so much information we seldom miss them. ------------------------------------------------------ Agi: We keep five years of backissues of our magazines and find them VERY useful. First of all, many students can look at many magazines, even if the computers have gone down. When we do our current biography research and our science research, this has been very helpful. Plus, many of the online databases and even the archive websites for these magazines do not have full text retrieval capabilites, so that in many cases we have to find the magazine anyway, so that they can read the full article. I have also found that all of the students need practice reading things like the Periodical Guide, because you can't assume that they have been taught those skills before. Even if none of these reasons apply to your situation, you may have put your foot down and remind your principal that you are the best one to make decisions on how your space is used and what materials you keep. Even if someone is rich and famous, it doesn't give them the right to come in and tell you what they want you to do. They still owe you the courtesy of consulting with you and accepting the fact if you say NO. GOOD LUCK!! ------------------------------------------------------ Why in the world does this actress have any say over what happens in your library? Sounds strange to me! ------------------------------------------------------ I keep 5 years of back issues for students who are doing reports. They use the Reader's Guide to locate articles. We also have online databases of periodicals for research, but we feel that students should still learn to use both methods of research. Many of our students prefer back issues. The ads are useful in advertising, they show how times have changed over the years. Holding a magazine seems to satisfy students over printing pages. It gets expensive to print and reprint the same article over and over. Many of the magazines online only go back a few years. The history of social issues would be lost without periodicals. Hope my quick thoughts help and good luck. ------------------------------------------------------ Back issues are vital for student research. It's nearly impossible to make out your signature, so I don't know what level your school is, but the higher the level, the more important magazines are. There's no way you're going to be able to replace much of that primary source material. If this actress have money and clout, maybe she can fundraise for a new music facility. ------------------------------------------------------ Try locating reviews and articles inspired by the book Double Fold, Libraries and the Assault on Paper, By Nicholson Baker. I think it was this listserv that had some postings about that last week. He makes a strong case for saving back issues of papers and magazines. Hope this helps! ------------------------------------------------------- We discard periodicals after 2 years unless there is some redeeming value in them that cannot be found elsewhere. Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------- I am not one who saves Natinal Geographic for 50 years; however, I do like to keep several years of newsworthy titles. When I can pull the original magazine with pics and all for a student, he/she is thrilled to be able to "handle" and "digest" info from the actual magazine highlighting that researced event. Much is lost, I feel, when a kid can only read text on a blue screen. Some events as example include the Oklahoma bombing, Columbine, Elian Gonzales, et al, ad infinitum. I only have room for 5 years but would keep ten if I could. Databases are wonderful, but will never beat the hard copy. ------------------------------------------------------ Is the well known actress willing to pay for the equipment, wiring, and software to replace them with electronic sources? ------------------------------------------------------- Ask the well known actress to purchase a magazine data base like Proquest to replace the back issues. Since my students have been using the data base, I bet I haven't made ten trips to the back issue collection. I am even thinking of doing away with most of it. ------------------------------------------------------- You did not make it clear what kind of a music room was meant. Will music be played there? If so, you will need to relocate the library. We actually had such an arrangement at one time, and it was detrimental to the music program, which was always having to "shush." Caused lots of hard feelings toward the music department also, as well as among the educational staff in general. Both kids and teachers were angry all the time. Of course it didn't help the library either, duh. It was just too stupid for words, which is why I suspect no smart reasoning on your part is going to help. ------------------------------------------------------ It sounds to me as if you have a primarily political situation here, so you need to attack it on that level. I have made many mistakes over the years not perceiving this. It really doesn't matter how great your need and intelligent your argument if someone already has his/her mind made up to do something stupid, especially for money. If you can enlist an influential parent or faculty member or local big shot, to go to bat for the library that would be ideal. Is there someone in the community who is concerned about kids' test scores, for example? Or literacy? Someone else other than you needs to do the fighting; it is much more effective that way. There is such a national awareness about libraries right now - I would think you could find some stats that would help, and someone to point out that this is not the moment in time to cut space in a school library. It willl make the school look light-weight. Good luck - don't think you can do this by yourself. ------------------------------------------------------- Agi Rosen Washington Irving HS NY NY ===== AGI ROSEN, LIBRARIANWASHINGTON IRVING HSNEW YORK, NYBOOKS4AGI@YAHOO.COM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. 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