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And hopefully (for the optimizer's financial well being, if nothing else) they know that Google uses page ranking as ONE of the many pieces in their ranking algorithm. And that other engines use other methods (meaning if you are optimizing for Google, you may not be optimizing for vivisimo, etc). And that the algorithm changes periodically (actually ongoing changes and experiments, then announcements, then looking at reactions). Actually, a bit of reading about optimizing brings up many references that proper metatagging, keywords, and body content are at least as important as page rank, even in Google. Not to mention that certain kinds of linking is looked at as the equivalent of spamming. Then need to realize that certain segments of the public use other engines. So an optimizer optimizing only for Google may not be serving their client's best interests. Then ask the optimizer about Goggle's changes in reference to Florida or the 'Google Dance'. (leading causes of the 'I found this page before, now I can't' syndrome') When I go through the hierarchy of searching with my MS kids, we talk about how SE works and what purpose they define as their goal. That brings us to how that effects their search results. Then we discuss the importance of having some solid background information from reliable resources in hand in order to make sense of what the search engine tosses back. And then hope, at least for the 8 yr old's sake, that the teacher really didn't send the kids home to 'go search internet for information about MLK'. Robert Eiffert, Librarian Pacific Middle School Evergreen SD 114 Vancouver WA beiffert@egreen.wednet.edu pac.egreen.wednet.edu/library robert@crypticmachinery.net -----Original Message----- From: School Library Media & Network Communications [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Valenza Joyce Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:11 AM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Something new: Search engine optimizer's request Hi All, I got this in my mailbox this morning and don't know quite what to think. I regularly use "less than perfect sites" as tools for instruction relating to evaluation. I have a page set up clearly for that purpose. A search engine optimizer wrote to request I remove a link because with Google's link relevancy rankings, the more links a site has, the higher it appears as a result. It seems to me that's a teachable moment as well, though I know that not all Google users have had librarians and teachers to guide them in their choices. What do you think? ************************** Here's the letter: I am a Search Engine Optimizer, which means specialize in making sure that sites rank highly for certain keywords. Recently I was researching a project with my 8-year-old son when I came across the site www.martinlutherking.org. This site is a racist site, which you know because you are using it a class about misinformation on the web. What you may not know is that by linking to this site, you are helping this site to rank higher on Google. Google judges sites on how many people link to a particular site. The more people that link, the higher the site will come up on Google's results. Your site currently links to [ http://www.martinlutherking.org ]www.martinlutherking.org. I would like to ask you to deactivate that link. While I admire the fact that you are teaching people to recognize sites with bad information, you are also helping this site to spread its disinformation to thousand of other people. Please deactivate the link with either a space in the URL or some other method so that this site will fall to the wayside. <html><DIV>Joyce Kasman Valenza, Librarian Springfield Township High School techlife@school Philadelphia Inquirer Phone: (215) 233-6030 ext: 2502 Fax: (215) 836-5237 Virtual Library: http://mciu.org/~spjvweb http://joycevalenza.com</html> _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. 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