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Back when I got my school library certification (not the ALA accredited MLS program, which came later, but just a school certification), my professor had this "awful stack" of weeded books piled in the corner of the classroom. When we began the class she told us that we would be doing cataloging and that we would KNOW what we were doing before we left her class (this was BEFORE MARC records---we were using typewriters, multiple index cards, etc.). We each had index cards and I can remember counting the spaces for indentions, writing example cards and doing the "cute subjects" at the bottom. (Before you think that I am older than dirt, I must confess that I began my school library certification at the age of 22--straight from receiving my B.A. in English Education.) We had such fun....then she told us that we each had ten books on the floor that we had to catalog...!! YIKES! These books were dated 1800's or early 1900's....brittle, worn, yellow...items with obscure information, no information, little to go by...but we did it. (Our joke was, "If we can't find enough information to catalog it...toss it!") Then when MARC records came along and I was already familiar with the process of cataloging, copy-cataloging, and even retrospective conversion in libraries, I did my master's program. Again, I had a professor who brought actual items (old, outdated, worn, materials) into the classroom and made us catalog them. She included films, video tapes, foreign language items, records, books, pamphlets...if we didn't have it to catalog, she just forgot it that day! I remember being with a group of ladies "slightly older" than I was (I was in my early '30's then) and they were not career librarians (they were getting their school certification through the same program and we happened to merge at the cataloging class). They were completely blown away with the process of cataloging to begin with and when I began explaining parts of the "old method" and how it related to the MARC record it made things worse. To me it made sense. I don't know any "newbies" to the school library programs (personally) but it seems that from comments made that many aren't getting the "down in the trenches" approach that I had with my professors (and I had some "oldies-but-goodies" in the profession...bless their souls!). I'd also like to hear what some "newbies" think about the cataloging process being taught today, and if they believe that what they learned in class is helping them at all in the "real world" of libraries. ~Shonda Brisco Trinity Valley MS / US Librarian Fort Worth, TX sbrisco021@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Williams" <mark_williams@EEE.ORG> To: <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Re: ALA Degree programs and school libraries > At 08:22 AM 6/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >When I was in undergraduate library school (yes, back then we had an > >undergraudate major in library science), we were taught practical > >information about how to operate a school library. > > > >time he was asked to teach he had to go to the downtown library where he was > >assigned to teach "conceptual" cataloging instead of the practical methods > >that all of us need. > > > Your experience parallels mine. I was lucky in that I had cataloging > classes that did at least some practical work as well as the theoretical > aspects (though our textbook was riddled with errors!) I am NOT a > proficient cataloger, but of course, in my job, I have to do the work. I > often wished that I'd had better training earlier on. We all pick up > knowledge as we go along, but still..... > > The idea of a cataloging lab sounds neat! Just as students learn to write > by writing, so we learn to catalog by.....cataloging <duh!>! > > As an aside, I am appalled at the level of preparation (or lack thereof) in > new teachers. I wonder if the same will happen to people being prepared > for library work? Anyone out there have contact with newly minted school > librarians? I have worked with only one recently, and she would not be > representative, as her mother is a school librarian...she grew up in the > business! > > > > Mark Williams > Librarian > Colton High School > Colton, CA 92324 > mark_williams@eee.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I'll have to admit that he's a very competent scholar." > "Isn't he just a librarian?" Garion asked, "somebody who looks after books?" > "That's where all the rest of scholarship starts, Garion. All the books in > the world won't help you if they're just piled up in a heap." 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