> Hi,
> I was asked to forward this on to LM Net as Dona (the original
sender)
> was having trouble sending to the list serve.
>
> Diane Gallagher-Hayashi
> Teacher-Librarian
> Stelly's School
>
>
> > Diane,
> > Would you please send this on to the group? My program is not
working
> > right now and it won't send mail using my dodo account and the Peter
has
> > not changed my address as asked.
> >
> > I have finally decided to speak up on this discussion. As an
American
> > living in Australia for over 30 years, I have had to curb my tongue
when
> > using words that were acceptable in my eyes, but vulgar in
Australian's.
> > I remember clearing when, in my first year of teaching, in one day I
> > made 2 large mistakes! I was teaching in a Christian school and
using
> > an American devotion book. The title of the devotion was "How to
Love a
> > Dirty Bum" In Australia, bum means butt! That same day I was
reading
> > Tom Sawyer and we came across "Bloody Indian Joe" Bloody was a very
> > rude word at the time, radio stations even bleeped out the word in
"The
> > Bloody Red Baron" So words I used to use I can't any more.
> > Transfer to the other way. I was playing a player piano (you know
the
> > kind, you pedal the music on paper rolls) with my boyfriend and at
the
> > end he turns to me and asks if I was "knocked up" meaning tired. I
had
> > to laugh and say no!!!! When he took me to my first football match
he
> > told me I was not to say that I was rooting! That word is the same
as
> > f****. And here I have my rooters card from high school. :-0 An
eraser
> > here is called a rubber so imagine an American high school teacher
> > having a young man coming up to her and asking if he could go to his
> > locker and get his rubber!
> > Now, I go back to the States for a visit and hear the word fanny,
fanny
> > bag etc. Here in Australia that part of the anatomy is only on the
> > female. I can tell you there were a lot of smiles on people's faces
> > (and upset people too) when "The Nanny" was shown on TV and the song
was
> > being sung.
> > Currently we are going thru a stage where bugger is becoming
acceptable.
> > It is on commercials (sometimes I have to admit, cleverly done).
> > Although I get annoyed with hearing the word, I have to realize that
the
> > meaning of the word has changed and I should not be offended.
> > I guess I usually have to listen to the context that it is being
used.
> > Australians often used "rude" words for terms of endearment. Bas***
can
> > either mean a very close mate or be the cause of a fight!
> > I loved a recent "Malcom" episode where all the words were bleeped
out
> > and he said, why did they bleep them out, everyone knows what they
said!
> >
> > My point? English is a living language and we have to remember that
> > meanings change. Although we have to help children use appropriate
> > words, we also have to remember that! It is all in the ear of the
> > listener. Take a look at Shakespeare sometime!
> > Oh, by the way. I had always thought that the slang "suck" came
from
> > "to suck lemons", so it never offended me.
> > Dona an x-pat from the USA
> > Dona J. Hartwich
> > Senior Librarian
> > Horsham College
> > Horsham, Victoria, Australia
> > http://web.horsham-college.vic.edu.au/
> > mrsh@dodo.com.au
> > To read a book for the first time is to make an acquaintance with a
new
> > friend; to read it for a second time is to meet an old one.
> > - Anonymous, Chinese saying
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: School Library Media & Network Communications
> > [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Diane
Gallagher-Hayashi
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2004 1:04 AM
> > To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Need feedback: Bad Words
> >
> > The really annoying "bad" word that was going the rounds in my
school
> > a
> > couple of years ago was b*gger. The kids assumed that it meant
someone
> > who
> > "bugged" someone else. Whenever I heard someone using it, I made
them
> > look
> > it up in the dictionary. The response was usually "Oh gross!" and
then
> > they stopped using it.
> >
> > Diane Gallagher-Hayashi
> > Teacher-Librarian
> > Stelly's School
> > Saanich School District (63)
> > Saanichton, British Columbia
> > Canada
> > Diane_Hayashi@sd63.bc.ca
> > daichan@shaw.ca
> >
> > "I may not be an explorer, or an adventurer, or a treasure-seeker,
or
> > a
> > gunfighter, Mr. O'Connell, but I am proud of what I am...I, am a
> > librarian!"
> > The Mummy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cathy Rettberg" <crettberg@MENLOSCHOOL.ORG>
> > To: <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Need feedback: Bad Words
> >
> >
> > > I too don't like the word and go nuts if it is used by my own
kids.
> > At
> > > school however I have learned to roll with it - I spent 8 years
in
> > > elementary and even the kids there used it all the time. The
parents
> > > even used it! Now that I'm in a 6-12 school I don't make a big
deal
> > > about it, though if I disagree with the opinion that something
> > "sucks"
> > > I let them know. I do also on occasion point out (as I do for
other
> > > four letter words) that there are other, much more clever, ways
to
> > > express that opinion! "Use of four letter words indicates a
lazy
> > mind"
> > > - yep, they are tired of hearing that!
> > >
> > > Cathy
> > > -----------
> > > Cathy Rettberg, MLIS
> > > Head Librarian, Menlo School
> > > Atherton, CA
> > > crettberg@menloschool.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 11, 2004, at 02:18 AM, Dawn Sardes wrote:
> > >
> > > > When I was a child, in the 60's, people, at times, used a word
> > that I
> > > > was told was bad to use to say that this person or that thing
or
> > some
> > > > situation "sucks."
> > > >
> > > > I was told that it was okay to say that a baby "sucks" his
bottle,
> > but
> > > > not to use it in that other context. Later, although nobody
> > actually
> > > > told me this, I surmised that it was "bad" because it was a
> > reference
> > > > to certain acts.
> > > >
> > > > I hear this word being used in this context all the time--even
on
> > > > national network television. When did this become ok? When I
was
> > > > young, I got my mouth washed out with soap for using it. I
taught
> > my
> > > > kids to not use it to describe or deride a event or situation,
and
> > > > especially not a person. That is what the word "stinks" is
for.
> > > >
> > > > When I taught, I did not allow that use of that word in my
class
> > or
> > > > school, and was backed up by faculty.
> > > >
> > > > Today, in my public library, as we were about 15 minutes from
> > closing,
> > > > one of our printers began repeatedly jamming (my library
offers
> > free,
> > > > unlimited printing--a "service" that is taken for granted and
> > widely
> > > > abused and that costs us over $15,000/year, but that's another
> > rant).
> > > > I turned it off and announced that it was broken.
> > > >
> > > > A young man came up and asked to be placed on a pc on the
other
> > side
> > > > of the library. Those pc's on that side have their own
printer.
> > > > However, we have an automated sign-up system (invented by our
tech
> > > > guy) that assigns pc's randomly. There is no way to make sure
> > someone
> > > > gets a specific pc.
> > > >
> > > > When I explained that we could not do that, the young man told
me
> > that
> > > > "Your Tech guy really "sucks."
> > > >
> > > > It took all my willpower not to get up and slap him. None of
my
> > > > co-workers "suck" and I told him that. Our tech guy is an
> > absolute
> > > > wonder. He is a techie God. Then this smug, self-important
> > > > little......person...offered to come in & teach him how to
> > properly
> > > > wire a library. I offered him Matt's card and told him to
call
> > him.
> > > >
> > > > I am still fuming. Am I hopelessly out of date in my
evaluation
> > of
> > > > this word? Am I the only one left who thinks it is wrong? I
have
> > to
> > > > admit, it is one reason I've stopped watching TV (except for
news
> > and
> > > > I even hear it there). Maybe it is not a bad word, like I
have
> > always
> > > > thought, but isn't it at least rude and inappropriate?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dawn M. Sardes
> > > > Teen Services Librarian
> > > > Euclid Public Library
> > > > Euclid, OH
> > > > dawn511@adelphia.net
> > > >
> > > >
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