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I first want to thank everyone for their help. I posted my question on a Sunday and was blown away by the number of responses I recieved by that night. Thanks again Someone asked me to post a hit for my question which was: I am a new LMS and trying to prepare the collection for future automation. My problem is that I do not have a shelf list for a good percentage of the collection. The ones I do have will probably get weeded out. So, my question to you is when creating a shelf list what is the LEAST amount of information needed to facilitate the automation processes. As I am by myself with an "occasional" volunteer I don't want to do unnecessary work. Lori Goldman, LMS Rockland Country Day School Congers, NY Title Author ISBN/LCCN and if you know where the funding came from add that. I had a similar situation: many books on shelves with little or no shelf list information. The first thing I did was to check the collection against the existing shelf list. I also weeded the collection at the same time. There is no need to add materials to the databases only to remove them soon afterwards. I pulled any books without shelf list information and put them in a separate area. Then I found out exactly how much information my vendor needed to input data for the conversion. We had Winnebago (now Sagebrush) and they wanted very little (title, author, date of publication, publisher and ISBN if known). Then I used an electric typewriter and catalog cards on a roll to input the information for each book myself. I did not have a reliable aide and it was easier and quicker to do it myself. I had a large collection (over 13,000 materials) so I eventually got parent volunteers to help with the checking against the shelflist. They didn't weed but did pull anything that without a shelf list card. I was forced to use parents because I was given the unreasonable time frame of three and a half months to get the shelf list cards shipped to the vendor. If I had it to do again, I would have done all the checking against the shelf list and done the weeding simultaneously. Good luck, I would think you should weed first (and weed hard). Then spend the money for a year's subscription to Follett Alliance or a similar program that will let you download catalog records and work mostly from the books rather than the shelf list. Most shelf lists are so outdated they're almost not worth bothering with. Just my opinion, of course. I'd say title, author, ISBN (which will identify the publisher, etc), call number, and price... although the ISBN will identify everything but your local call number. Lori, The bare minimum ... call # author title edition publisher & copyright isbn & lccn title Library of Congress number and/or ISBN number That is the least amount of information you need. It is, in 90% of the cases, all you need. When you're doing a retrospective conversion, you generally type in the Library of Congress number and choose the title from the list presented. You don't have to be complusive about publishers and page numbers. The point is to get the title and description into your new on-line catalog as quickly as possible. There is a whole lifetime later for changing and refining. The ISBN number will get you a record for the exact book on your shelf, but you won't get as many hits using it. Author, title, some kind of standard number, such as ISBN and/or LC number. Technically the least amount would be the ISBN number but I don't think that's realistic. Sometimes even LC doesn't have the ISBN number in it's record. You should also probably have the LC number and the author and title. That'll probably do for most books. If it's a reprint of a classic you might include the publisher. Good luck. Author, title, copyright date, call number, ISBN or LC number should be sufficient if you are upgrading your records via a company that will return to you full Marc records. If not, then you do need to add subject headings, notes, etc. for access points for patrons to find something. SAISD sent our records out to be upgraded. Hand entering is a futile exercise... you won't have enough time to enter all that should be available. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------