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And I resent the fact that we will have to pay shipping to get a "clean" cd. This is Sony's mess, they got caught and consumers should be made whole. Linda Martin Librarian Sugar Hill Elementary School Gainesville, Georgia ________________________________ From: School Library Media & Network Communications on behalf of Mark Williams Sent: Tue 11/22/2005 6:37 PM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Re: [LM_NET] Sony spyware and copyright I have to disagree with Shonda here. If Sony's spyware only installed itself after someone attempted to copy the cd a fourth time (for example), there might be a case for Sony's side of the issue. But the spyware installs the first time it is played on a computer...on ANYONE's computer, regardless of their intent of use. That means that I, who in no way condones or participates in copyright violations, have a piece of spyware installed on my computer without my consent or control. Sony's statement that, in effect, "I was warned" by the EULA is specious.... the EULA is only visible after I open the cd and remove the liner booklet; and that action means that for most retailers, I cannot return the cd for a refund if I choose not to use the cd. I can only get a replacement copy of the same disc (and therefore the same problem). Sony's statement that the software can be removed is disingenuous at best. The process of removal is anything but straightforward, and requires the used to go through many steps over and above the process of obtaining the removal directions from Sony. I KNOW that music piracy is a serious problem for the industry; but loading innocent PC's with burdensome spyware that slows the system and renders it vulnerable to malicious attack by third parties is not the way to solve the problem. At 04:53 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >I just had to laugh when I heard about the Sony Spyware / copyright >situation (DRM software being installed on the Sony music >CDs). While I understand how problematic it would be to have the >spyware downloaded onto a computer system to slow it down and >eventually stop the entire system of those who copy CDs over and >over (for whatever purpose)....I laughed because I thought it was a >great idea of Sony's to "stick it" to those who continue to violate >copyright and download music for re-distribution to others. Mark Williams Consulting Librarian Professional Services for Conferences, Districts, Workshops markwilliams@makaw.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The closest thing you will find to an orderly universe is a good library" -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------