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Thanks to all who responded, sympathized, offered suggestions...... Your input is greatly appreciated and insightful. A hit was requested so: I saw your question on what to do with books that are not AR. I must say that it was a little disturbing. I didn’t see a grade level for your school, but I am sure students would read books that are not AR if they were given the opportunity. My students can check out one AR book and another book they would like. The second book need not be AR. Most of my books are checked out if they are AR or not. If you have Pre-K up to 1st, they benefit from just reading books and not taking tests. Although some students have excelled so that they are able to take the test. For those students, any book would do. Also, tests can be written for books of your choice for AR. In the case of a really great book with no quiz, I just write one. One year I had a group of teachers write quizes as part of their self-improvement plan for evaluation. They became more aware of quality children's literature and I gained some fairly good tests. On a couple I had to edit the question to fit the allowed number of spaces or re-word slightly because of the format. All in all it was a great experience. AR is not one of our generally recognized criteria for weeding books. I would consider it an issue only if you have insufficient shelf space and just have to get rid of all dead wood. We don't have the web-based AR, but we do have over 3,000 tests. We still have many books in both fiction and nonfiction that are not AR and will be kept as long as shelf space and circulation merit it and the book(s) are in good condition. I had to get really tough with my fiction collection early on because there were many duplicates of titles that had at one time been very popular but were no longer being read. I weeded out some books that had been favorites of mine when I was in school and some by authors that were highly recommended when I was in library school in the early 1970's. It's never easy...but weeding a book simply because it isn't AR is not justified. You can always write a teacher-made test for such books if you or someone else has the time to do it. Sorry but my first reaction was "You have to be kidding!!!" Please don't weed a book just because it's not on AR. Maybe you can promote them somehow - like we promote banned books. I also think your "folks" need to come up with some ways in addition to AR to encourage reading since AR often discourages reading. I listened to a talk by Stephen D. Krashen (Power of Reading ISBN: 1591581699). He says the same thing. (This book is well worth the $$ - and available used for a pretty good price on Amazon if you don't have it.) Essentially he said that reading is a pleasurable activity for most people. By giving a reward to something pleasurable, it sends the message that there must be something wrong with finding pleasure in reading and so the kids end up NOT enjoying reading. I have a set of books that my English teachers won't allow for reading credit. The kids really enjoy reading them. I regularly remind the kids that they can read any book they want from the library. They might not get book credit but may enjoy reading the book. I would keep the books and only weed the ones that haven't been checked out in 2-3 years, are dirty, tattered, falling apart, have inaccurate information, etc. I would not weed a book because AR did not have a test for it. I think it would be absolutely horrible to use the AR quiz list as a selection tool. Over the ten years we have used AR, I came to realize that the younger grades used the AR system without tears. After Grade Three, it became an albatross for most of the students and truly stunted the appreciation of recreational reading for many of those students. I haven't purchased fiction quizzes for over a year. Instead of hounding them to checkout AR books, I can do on the spot book talks for the children. We have had some great informal conversations that do not revolve around AR. They are reading books on a higher level because they don't have to worry about the AR quiz. Circulation is definitely not "down". The chapter books on the Texas Bluebonnet Master list haven't been this popular in years. So to answer your question, I would say keep the books if they have been checked out and are in good shape. Weed anything that needs to go, including AR books. Wow, talk about the tail wagging the dog! Still, I do see what they are trying to get at. One option is to make your own tests. I don't know about the new AR Enterprise, but the old version lets you enter up to 500 teacher made tests. My teachers use different devices to give kids AR credit for books that do not have tests - the old standard book report, projects, essay questions, etc. The same topic has been on my mind this morning. I really need some shelf space. Students expect every book to have an AR quiz. I really do not want to weed every title that is not an AR book. I would also like to weed some that are AR titles. That would really raise some eyebrows. I had one boy this morning check out Peter Spier's Christmas a wordless picture book. He was told by others in his class that he could not check out a book unless it was an AR book. He was almost in tears by the time he asked me for permission to check out the book. I assured him that it was one of my favorite books because I could tell my own story with the pictures. He left with one AR book and the Christmas book. I have my fingers crossed that all will go well because his Mom is a teacher in the school. I guess I am venting a little and not helping find a solution to your problem. I do feel better knowing that others are struggling with the issue. Can't believe that AR has such a grip on the pedagogical practices but that's another argument for another day ... Some time ago when I was creating some bookraps (an online adaptation of literature circles) I found the most powerful strategy was to get the students to CREATE the questions, not answer them. So perhaps you could get your senior students (those moving on next year if you have problems with them sharing answers, if that itself is an issue) to develop quizzes for those non-AR books. You could pre-select the titles so you are circulating the quality literature you want them to read. And in the meantime direct these chuck-out teachers to your collection development policy which must surely not restrict books to those with AR quizzes! Why don't you create your own quiz for them? The AR software allows you to create a quiz and add it to the quiz bank. If you have good books on the shelf then probably someone on library staff has read them. If they have not been read by someone, then you all have some reading to do. It is so easy to create a quiz. I create quizzes, as does my library aide. I also ask teachers who have read titles to create quizzes over them. This has been a bit of an issue here as well. I have a policy in place that every student is allowed at least one free choice, regardless of any other restrictions on borrowing. If teachers need the kids to have a research book, or an AR book at their level, their second book (or third, if they're one of the "big kids") is always completely their own choice. It seems incredibly absurd to buy only books that have AR tests. I hate to think that AR, rather than the curriculum, drives collection development.. The other thing to bear in mind is that presumably, the collection also supports units taught in the classroom. We have lots of books on life in the 1800's, on weather, and on the planets, many of which are not AR. The teachers use these in the classroom when those units are taught. They are certainly necessary, regardless of whether or not they're AR books. Since I'm in a building that has pre-K and kindergarten kids, I also have plenty of picture books and easy-reader format non-fiction for our 4 and 5 year-olds to check out. They don't need to be AR, because the kids are not yet ready to use the program. Besides, with AR, one can always add "home-made" tests. If kids are trying to earn AR points and really want to read a "non-AR" book, I have them write the test for me. I think creating five sensible questions and four answer choices is actually a better measure of their comprehension of the book than just answering the questions! One young man just brought me a set of questions that a volunteer is going to type in today. I have faced similar decisions and determined that fiction books that don't circulate need to be weeded. In several cases, though, I decided to create custom quizzes for books that I was certain students would check out if they were AR books. Is this custom quiz alternative still available with AR Enterprise? If so, you might consider it. I wouldn't weed them for not being AR books ... unless your collection development policy states only AR books. I would suggest trying to get or make a test for them. One of the things that we do is make quizzes, or have students make quizzes for for those books we do not have quizzes for. I don't know if this is an option with the enterprise version of AR or not, but if you can do this it might increase circulation of the books in question. We have the stand alone version of AR When students read books that aren't AR, they come and get a short book report form from the media center. We have a fiction and nonfiction form. They turn this back into me. I check renelarn.com/store to see how many points it is, or I use a similiar book to compare it to if renlearn.com doesn't have the test either. I manually go in and create tests based on point value such as 0.5, 1.0. I enter their points manually. This way the students aren't limited to just the "AR" books. Since our PK and K students do not use AR---we use the Easy books for them to check out. However, we finally weeded all of our non-AR chapter books. We just didn't have the space to keep them. We are still hanging onto non-AR nonfiction because some of the teachers allow their students to check them out whenever they reach their independent goals for the six weeks. The students love it!!!! While I am not an advocate of AR at all, I will say that some of the books that are NOTARmight need to be looked at more closely to see if maybe they should be weeded. I would never say to weed simply because it is not AR but I have found the books currently in my K-4 library that are not AR probably are outdated. I guess this applies mostly to the Fiction - not so much the nonfiction or easy books. I fight the AR battle too but what we try to do is allow the students to do a brief summary or oral retelling, etc. to the teacher after which they will receive credit for the book. If they are earning points, then the teacher gives points for something comparable. The students are not as likely to do this because it is easier to sit down and take a quick AR test but it does open up that option. My teachers HAVE to allow students this option. I am K-4. We are not Enterprisebut the large majority of our books are AR. You need to have a balanced collection regardless of whether the books have AR quizzes available. You wouldn't want to build a collection solely based on AR. If that is the temptation perhaps you are using AR incorrectly. It should be a tool and that is all not the entire reading program. Just my 2 cents. We started using AR at my school 2 years ago. The first year the teachers really pushed their kids to check out AR books, but since I'm the one there when they check out, I was able to remind the students that a book doesn't have to be on AR to be a good book. Putting books on display or using them in my library lessons usually makes them more popular. Also, this year we have new principals that don't seem to really support AR, so we aren't using it. It makes me a little sick to think of all the money (not from the library budget, luckily) that has been "wasted" the last couple of years on AR tests if they aren't going to be used anymore. I'm just glad I never got around to marking the AR books. I have a seperate AR section which is getting smaller every time I weed. Most of the new books that I order are AR, but there are a few that are not. Eventually, I may shelve everything together, but at this point I feel it is still important to have the seperate sections. Our kids are able to check out several books. Most teachers require them to have one AR book and then the others we call free choice. Free choice can be a non-AR or an AR. This has helped circulate those great books that just don't have the quizzes:) Why not use them for displays - hand them to students who are waiting to leave after check-out, offer them to teachers to read aloud... this way you can count them as in-House Use and show some circulation for them. I would stand firm against weeding books just because they aren't AR. What is your weeding policy? I wouldn't think this would qualify as a reason for discarding books that the district has purchased, that are on grade-level and are good resources with up-to-date information. You know, at the high school, we have reference books that are never checked out, but they are a critical resource that we update continually. Betsy Ruffin librarian-technologist Cleburne ISD Cleburne, TX betsy.ruffin@cleburne.k12.tx.us Stephen Abram, vice-president of Micromedia Ltd., Canada's largest electronic publisher. "But although technology is vastly changing their roles, librarians are still seen as "trusted agents" and their role as navigators of the Internet will be critical to everyday life and the future economy." 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