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Exactly, Robert. And remember that you are going to be sending those = catalog records with the "creative" headings off to a consortium. The = records may not pass the entry test with 100 subjects (a subject has to be = 20% of content before it is appropriate), or they may reference something = that is taught at only your school, in which case you are going to have = students all over your region/state asking to ILL material that may only = mention a topic in passing. =20 Handholding is a wonderful thing, and librarians do a good job of it. But = in this case it may be that the librarian is making clerical work to avoid = actually working with students. Not to mention perpetuating information = illiteracy and passing it along to the next level of education, be it a = higher K-12 school, a college or university, or the public library. Isn't = it better to teach them to fish than to toss them a fish? =20 =20 Carol Simpson, Ed.D. Asst. Professor - School of Library & Information Sciences University of North Texas PO Box 311068 205 Chestnut, ISB #205 Denton, TX 76203 940-565-3776 (voice) 940-565-3101 (fax) csimpson@lis.admin.unt.edu =20 >>> Robert Eiffert <beiffert@COMCAST.NET> 02/26/04 05:55PM >>> Whenever I start mucking about in the catalog, I realize I have to be just about unaccessable to the kids (and teachers), one of those left brain/righ= t brain things. So you might find yourself being a lot more librarian and a lot less teacher as you start to modify all the records involved. Plus whatever learning curve in cataloging is involved. This is assuming that = the catalog records are good ones to begin with. I wonder if developing some flyers, posters, resource guides, or pathfinder= s wouldn't be more efficient. Especially if passed out during a class = overview before a project starts. Not to mention that the students will discover that the public library doesn't 'google' their catalog. Robert Eiffert, Librarian Pacific Middle School Evergreen SD 114 Vancouver WA beiffert@egreen.wednet.edu=20 pac.egreen.wednet.edu/library robert@crypticmachinery.net=20 > As I watch students (I'm in a high school of 500, grades 8 to > 12) search my catalogue I see that their expectations have > been established by Google: when they do a keyword search for > 'marijuana' they expect to find every book with information > about marijuana; of course, that is not what happens; they > find only the books with the word 'marijuana' entered > somewhere in the record. I then tell them they need to > broaden their search -- "try 'drugs' or 'drug abuse'" -- and > many more hits appear. > > There is no chance I am going to effectively teach even a > small minority of our students how to 'broaden the search' > (my half-time librarian status is just one reason), so I'm > thinking that my catalogue has to be more Google-like. To > that end I am considering adding many more keywords to the > book records. My first thought is to select keywords from the > table of contents of a book and list them in the 'note' field > of the book record. > > I would appreciate your opinions about all this, and I would > especially like to hear from anyone who is already doing this. =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu=20 In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/=20 Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/=20 EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/=20 LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D--=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-